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If you force a Christian bakery to bake gay wedding cakes, it'll start a precedent
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:19 pm
That precedent being gay bakers can't complain or deny service when a Christian customer wants a cake that says Leviticus 20:13 on it.
Melting liberal bakers can't deny service to a normal American that wants a sheet cake with an image of Our President on it.
Jewish bakers can't deny service to a Neo-Nazi wanting a swastika case.
Muslim bakers of Pakistani descent can't deny service to Hindu Indian customers that want a "India is #1" written on their cake.
Either allow PRIVATE businesses to serve what they please or don't complain when it will be you having to do something you're uncomfortable with. Simple.
Melting liberal bakers can't deny service to a normal American that wants a sheet cake with an image of Our President on it.
Jewish bakers can't deny service to a Neo-Nazi wanting a swastika case.
Muslim bakers of Pakistani descent can't deny service to Hindu Indian customers that want a "India is #1" written on their cake.
Either allow PRIVATE businesses to serve what they please or don't complain when it will be you having to do something you're uncomfortable with. Simple.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 1:20 pm
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:24 pm to Parmen
OTOH, legal discrimination in the market place promises to escalate to chaotic proportions. Merchants will decide who gets the best of their wares and who gets the leftovers. Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:24 pm to Parmen
But is it ok for a muslim woman to deny a brazilian bikini wax to a tranny?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:25 pm to Parmen
This is why you have to serve everyone, period.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:26 pm to FT
Private businesses should be private run.
Also what customer would want to support a business owner who has qualms about their lifestyle choices?
Also what customer would want to support a business owner who has qualms about their lifestyle choices?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:26 pm to FT
Or you can afford people the right to refuse service for any reason. Period.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:28 pm to FT
The gay wedding cake case wasn’t about not serving someone. It was about creating a custom product with a specific message that they had the right to refuse doing.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:29 pm to Parmen
Some part of a society has to be a neutral zone for it to function properly. For us that's the market place. When you offer something for sale, it needs to be available to everyone who can afford it. Nothing else will work.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:30 pm to Tiguar
Finally something we can agree on.
Right to refuse based on lifestyle because of religious beliefs are okay.
Right to refuse based on race I would never agree with it. You don't choose your race and discrimination on that factor is horrible.
However, if I'm running a wholesome family run bakery, and some wacko filth slumber in reeking of dog shite, no shoes on, etc.; I should be able to tell them to get out.
If you're a devout follower of the Good Book, you should not have to bake a gay wedding cake. You are not entitled to a wedding cake in the Constitution.
Right to refuse based on lifestyle because of religious beliefs are okay.
Right to refuse based on race I would never agree with it. You don't choose your race and discrimination on that factor is horrible.
However, if I'm running a wholesome family run bakery, and some wacko filth slumber in reeking of dog shite, no shoes on, etc.; I should be able to tell them to get out.
If you're a devout follower of the Good Book, you should not have to bake a gay wedding cake. You are not entitled to a wedding cake in the Constitution.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:30 pm to Diary Queen
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But is it ok for a muslim woman to deny a brazilian bikini wax to a tranny?
Sure. Privately owed business
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This is why you have to serve everyone, period.
Incorrect. This is why you don’t have to serve anyone, period.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:31 pm to Tiguar
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Or you can afford people the right to refuse service for any reason.
That already exists and functions well. Some people want to change this right so that whole groups can be excluded, however. That's just wrong.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:31 pm to FT
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This is why you have to serve everyone, period.
Masterpiece does serve everyone. The owner wouldn't make a custom cake with a message he found offensive.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:32 pm to Kentucker
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That already exists and functions well.
Thankfully the Supreme Court recently upheld that right. Too bad it had to.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:33 pm to Kentucker
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Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people.
Wutgun
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:33 pm to Parmen
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You don't choose your race and discrimination on that factor is horrible.
You don't choose your sexuality either. Did you choose?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:36 pm to 03GeeTee
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The gay wedding cake case wasn’t about not serving someone. It was about creating a custom product with a specific message that they had the right to refuse doing.
Exactly, the baker in question said he would do anything else except creating a custom wedding cake.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:37 pm to Tiguar
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Thankfully the Supreme Court recently upheld that right.
If you're referring to the Colorado case, then you're just plain wrong. The SC ruling had nothing to do with discrimination. The court essentially threw out the case because it determined that Colorado did not treat the defendant with respect.
He can be retried in Colorado.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:41 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Exactly, the baker in question said he would do anything else except creating a custom wedding cake.
When this case, or another, comes back to the SC, you can expect the court to rule that wedding cakes are not art. Just because the baker used that excuse to deny the gay couple does not make his specific cakes artwork. In fact, expect the nine jurors to say that anything made for public sale and consumption does not constitute art.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:42 pm to Kentucker
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You don't choose your sexuality either. Did you choose?
I've yet to see any credible hard science on that. I've seen too many girls saying "I'm going lesbian" to believe that.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 1:42 pm to Parmen
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Also what customer would want to support a business owner who has qualms about their lifestyle choices?
An agenda driven one looking for some of that "discrimination cash".
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