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re: If you force a Christian bakery to bake gay wedding cakes, it'll start a precedent
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:41 pm to IllegalPete
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:41 pm to IllegalPete
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Tell that to Google. And Facebook. And Twitter. And ABC. And the dozens of restaurants and bars around the country who refuse to serve people with Trump hats.
Being gay and wearing a hat aren't the same thing.
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Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:41 pm to Argonaut
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I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with market expansion from Walmart...
And where was that market expansion prior to 2015, when TGT was outpacing WMT?
All WalMart did was say, "Look at those idiots. Alright time to go scoop up some new customers!"
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:46 pm to RobbBobb
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And where was that market expansion prior to 2015, when TGT was outpacing WMT?
You do realize TGT has had similar drops several times before, right? It's almost like they've followed the market trends for most other retailers.
I get it. Money is hard...
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:53 pm to Kentucker
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He can be retried in Colorado.
Which will prove his point. Also make Colorado look a little less 'tolerant'.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:02 pm to Kentucker
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He can be retried in Colorado.
Retried? Like it was a criminal trial lmao
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:04 pm to Argonaut
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:38 pm to Argonaut
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Being gay and wearing a hat aren't the same thing.
Isn't implied bigotry of a particular group of people the point? All bigotry is an important issue, but some bigotry is more important?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:42 pm to Kentucker
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OTOH, legal discrimination in the market place promises to escalate to chaotic proportions. Merchants will decide who gets the best of their wares and who gets the leftovers. Discrimination is a door that can't be opened just a little to get at gay people
If that's the kind of people we are as a society than we deserve that outcome. Fortunately, that's not the kind of society we live in. The American people on a whole are way past that. People who discriminate to the levels that they did in the past wouldn't stay in business long today.
People should be allowed to vote with their wallet. Would you rather bigots be able to hide behind they're non-discriminatory business front and rake in the profits? I would prefer we allow them to display their ignorance for everyone to see. That way I know which businesses to spend my money with
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:45 pm to Dale51
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Isn't implied bigotry of a particular group of people the point? All bigotry is an important issue, but some bigotry is more important?
Prejudice and bigotry aren't the same, either.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:50 pm to Dale51
btw it's not the baker that would be required to make the cake by SCOTUS, it will be the store as the condition for doing business and no matter how you parse it stores aren't afforded freedom of religion.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:52 pm to Argonaut
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That isn't the issue either. No one is denying or even attempting to deny the free exercise of religion on this issue.
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I started with data and developed that into knowledge.
What data is this? "Knowledge"....of what, exactly?
Can you connect the dots along the path of this data based "knowledge" that could explain how a person being forced to act against their religious beliefs is not denying the free exercise of those beliefs??
Thanks.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:54 pm to Rogers Hog
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btw it's not the baker that would be required to make the cake by SCOTUS, it will be the store as the condition for doing business and no matter how you parse it stores aren't afforded freedom of religion.
He’s an artist
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:58 pm to FT
quote:this is moronic. Let the market sort it out. If you have money to pay for it, someone will do it for you. You pretty much have to be going out of your way to find a Christian bakery that's not going to bake a wedding cake for a gay wedding, which is tantamount to religious persecution. The bakery is missing out on business, that's where it should end in a free society. The defense these bakeries should be taking is that these custom wedding cakes are their art form. It's not like they won't sell them a cake because they are gay. I'd sell them a big white cake and say go nuts decorating it however you want
This is why you have to serve everyone, period
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 6/16/18 at 5:59 pm to Dale51
There is a legal concept of “protected classes” that should be brought up here. Due to the historical discrimination against certain groups, members of those groups are protected against outright discrimination in most cases. That’s why members of KKK can be discriminated against - they aren’t a protected class. Homosexuals are a protected class. That’s why the default position of the U.S. government is to act in ways that limit discrimination against them. It’s that simple.
And LOL at whoever thinks that sexuality is a choice in all, or even most, cases. Also LOL at anyone who believes that the proper Christian response for a baker is to deny a cake for a gay wedding.
And LOL at whoever thinks that sexuality is a choice in all, or even most, cases. Also LOL at anyone who believes that the proper Christian response for a baker is to deny a cake for a gay wedding.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:04 pm to Rogers Hog
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no matter how you parse it stores aren't afforded freedom of religion.
Not according to the Supreme Court.
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But it is important to keep in mind that the purpose of this fiction is to provide protection for human beings. A corporation is simply a form of organization used by human beings to achieve desired ends.
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When rights, whether constitutional or statu- tory, are extended to corporations, the purpose is to protect the rights of these people.
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And protecting the free-exercise rights of corporations like Hobby Lobby, Conestoga, and Mardel protects the religious liberty of the humans who own and control those companies.
LINK
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:11 pm to JoeHackett
in everyone of those cases the business wasn't acting in a discriminatory way they were denying everyone. When the court ruled that gay marriage was legal, equal protection will apply.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:24 pm to Dale51
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What data is this?
There have been zero cases of any baker being denied the free exercise of their religion.
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"Knowledge"....of what, exactly?
Math. Logic.
I know that if there has never been a case where a baker was denied the free exercise of their religion, it's logical to say that no one is denying the free exercise of religion on this issue.
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:31 pm to Argonaut
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Prejudice and bigotry aren't the same, either.
Good grief. We have entered the realm of "It depends of what the meaning of 'is' is".
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:34 pm to Rogers Hog
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btw it's not the baker that would be required to make the cake by SCOTUS, it will be the store as the condition for doing business and no matter how you parse it stores aren't afforded freedom of religion.
Do you have to limber up before you perform such contortions, or nah?
Posted on 6/16/18 at 6:35 pm to BamaNixon
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Homosexuals are a protected class
Only in certain states.
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Also LOL at anyone who believes that the proper Christian response for a baker is to deny a cake for a gay wedding.
Seems like participating in a celebration of sin wouldn't be very Christian.
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