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Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:13 am to Flats
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How was he able to run in that situation?
Because they didn’t cuff him
They had him on the ground, restrained one of his arms. Other arm is raised non threatening. Why did they not cuff him?
I think your definition of compliance is dogshit. But regardless of how it was achieved, they HAD him on the ground as they had asked. Why, instead of cuffing him, do they pepper spray and taze him?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:16 am to Flats
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How was he able to run in that situation?
At what point did cops spray themselves or each other? Seems one or more disengaged when they escalated to intermediate weapons (taser/OCspray).
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:21 am to Willie Stroker
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At what point did cops spray themselves or each other? Seems one or more disengaged when they escalated to intermediate weapons (taser/OCspray).
Not sure, and brutality/murder aside they absolutely suck at their jobs.
None of that changes the fact that after 30 seconds of struggling, he was able to hop up and run away. If he's flat on the ground he can't easily do that whether they're engaged or not. He was able to do that because he resisted and didn't get into a position that would have made it impossible to do that. They should have recognized why he had his left leg out, and no cop was putting his leg in that position. He did that for leverage and it worked.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:24 am to Toomer Deplorable
If he complied he’d be alive though.
Saying that doesn’t mean I support the cops.
They have been fired and charged.
But hey, next time you get arrested you should fight and run from the cops.
Saying that doesn’t mean I support the cops.
They have been fired and charged.
But hey, next time you get arrested you should fight and run from the cops.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:24 am to Flats
Those cops were part of a unit called, “Scorpion”. Does anyone know anything about that unit?
Has there been any results of possible drugs in the deceased’s system?
Although Nichols resisted by lying on his side and not putting his hands behind him, I can’t understand how 5 cops could not control him. The beatings appear to be punitive in nature. The Scorpion designation may reveal some attitude issues.
Has there been any results of possible drugs in the deceased’s system?
Although Nichols resisted by lying on his side and not putting his hands behind him, I can’t understand how 5 cops could not control him. The beatings appear to be punitive in nature. The Scorpion designation may reveal some attitude issues.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:27 am to Good Times
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Although Nichols resisted by lying on his side and not putting his hands behind him, I can’t understand how 5 cops could not control him. The beatings appear to be punitive in nature. The Scorpion designation may reveal some attitude issues.
You forget the part where he runs away.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:29 am to memphisplaya
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Wrong. You or your car could fit a description of a report or alert they just received. You don’t know what they have so your best option is to comply
If they had reasonable cause to pull him over then the stop is justified in most cases. This case does appear odd. Up until the point of the tasers and escalation it was “by the book”
Do you have additional info being a Memphis playa and all? If so, post it and I'll happily defer. If not, there is zero benefit to reaching a conclusion so quickly.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 10:31 am
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:29 am to Toomer Deplorable
Maybe. Doesn't excuse the cops actions in the slightest and who knows how you would act if the police came on so aggressive from the jump. This isn't a simple case of just comply.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:32 am to dgnx6
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If he complied he’d be alive though.
This is a shallow statement to make for this case
I think we all agree if he had laid motionless on the ground with his hands behind his back from the very start he’d be alive. But we have hindsight. What rational person automatically does that outside of perhaps a career criminal that has been arrested hundreds of times?
Their immediate reaction to him and everything after makes judging what he did or did not do a reach at best. He, compared to almost all of these cases you see, complied extremely well. Flats listed all this subtle shite that the guy put off with his body language, but are we really supposed to believe this guy is trained in jiu jitsu and has underlying motives to every small move he makes? Seems much more likely they were reflex reactions to extreme pressure he was facing. And again, all of these “non compliance” actions were absolutely tiny.
I can not judge this man for what he did. How much brutality is a person supposed to tolerate before they do something about it? It’s ridiculous to act like you would instinctively know what to do in this exact situation.
This is not typical a case of these alterations, at all. People need to stop putting the same excuses that work for other situations on this one.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:34 am to Good Times
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Those cops were part of a unit called, “Scorpion”. Does anyone know anything about that unit?
It was some task force to address violent crime, which makes the traffic stop that much more puzzling. Those damn task forces always seem to end up being bad news.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:36 am to dgnx6
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You forget the part where he runs away.
I didn’t mention it, but it falls under my comment that, “ I can’t understand how 5 cops could not control him”. It magnifies my comment.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:37 am to dgnx6
It could be that he deduces that he's definitely dead if he stays so with running he has a chance. From the get go it looks like the cops are unhinged and looking to deliver " the law"
He certainly would have fared better if he was stopped by a crackhead.... apologies to John Kennedy
He certainly would have fared better if he was stopped by a crackhead.... apologies to John Kennedy
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:41 am to OBReb6
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And again, all of these “non compliance” actions were absolutely tiny.
So tiny that he was able to jump up and run away from 5 people who were trying to detain him.
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I can not judge this man for what he did.
There you are with the emotion again. I'm not judging his actions, I'm describing them. You seem to accept now that he didn't comply, which is what I've been trying to tell you, you just think it was justified. I've not commented on whether or not what he did was rational, justified, what a normal person would do or any other sort of value judgement. I'm just telling you what the man did. You don't attempt to comply for 30 seconds then all of a sudden you're in a position to rabbit; you have to put yourself in that position.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:41 am to Willie Stroker
quote:You can hear the spray in the first video when it appears they have him prone and the camera gets shaky. After that you see several cops disengage (because they just got a healthy dose of pepper spray) and the victim starts to take off running.
At what point did cops spray themselves or each other? Seems one or more disengaged when they escalated to intermediate weapons (taser/OCspray).
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:42 am to dgnx6
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You forget the part where he runs away.
I'd probably have run from them as well.
Just because they wear a uniform doesn't mean they have your best intentions in mind. These dudes were out to get him.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:44 am to KiwiHead
quote:Yeah, and you know they were going to give him a severe beating after they pepper sprayed themselves whether he ran or not.
It could be that he deduces that he's definitely dead if he stays so with running he has a chance. From the get go it looks like the cops are unhinged and looking to deliver " the law"
I bet a ton of money that if they just walked up to the car and asked for license and registration he would have fully complied.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:46 am to mwade91383
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COMPLY* OR DIE
*results not guaranteed. Might die anyway.
Hahaha.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:48 am to Flats
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There you are with the emotion again.
bullshite. It means I’m having a hard time determining whether I would have done differently in his exact situation. They made it nearly impossible for him.
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You seem to accept now that he didn't comply, which is what I've been trying to tell you, you just think it was justified.
Actually I am not I am just trying to keep the conversation going with irrational people such as yourself
Which brings me back to this
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So tiny that he was able to jump up and run away from 5 people who were trying to detain him.
Because they didn’t cuff him. I’ve already asked 3 times and you refuse to answer, why didn’t they cuff him? Why did they start pepper spraying and tasing him while he was on the ground like they asked?
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:50 am to cajunangelle
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There was nothing the guy (in which the Chief of Police said there was no evidence he was driving recklessly) could do to cooperate.
Have seen many take downs of arrestees who were not complying. Have never seen anything like this.
Even when it happened during Carnival and the cops were worn out and nerves frayed from long hours and being tested to the max.
Punches, yes, but this was sustained, obviously flagrant intent to do something beyond just an arrest.
There's more to this that still has to come out. Speculating on the possible rumor.
They stopped him for an "illegal lane change."
This could happen to anyone at any time by a cop intending on stopping and arresting a target.
From the available images and audio, he did comply and said, "I didn't do anything."
Right after that he was tased. That's when he worked free, got up and ran.
Did he recognize one of the cops and it then dawned on him that this was more than just an arrest.
Saw the kicks to the head by the heavyset cop while the arrestee was on the ground basically helpless.
It was that same cop who later while the arrestee was standing with his hands manacled behind his back kept punching him in his head with full-on roundhouse rights.
Never seen an abuse of an arrestee that flagrant with full-on punches to the head who was putting up at best moderate resistance at the initial stage of the arrest.
Punches like that were enough to eventually cause his death later.
According to the images, expected him to fall unconscious right there at the scene.
Curious, though, how we're presently not in a repeat performance of about another 2 billion-plus dollars in destroyed property along with careers, ownership, aspirations, and futures going up in smoke.
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