re: “If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”

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Imagine resisting arrest for the 400th time and expecting a different outcome

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He's a perfect example of what I said on the first page:

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People who think with emotion can’t separate the two.

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I said that the cops suck at their job and should probably be charged with 1st degree murder, not second. But because I accurately described what the guy did he can't imagine I'm doing that for any reason other than to defend the cops. Maybe he is a she.

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“If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”

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These cops are bloodthirsty, inhuman animals that should be locked in a cage for a very long time for this savagery.

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At what point did the cops even say he was under arrest?

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It's a silly technical point, but I think (key word here) that you can be detained without being arrested.

In any event, I never said he resisted arrest, I said he wasn't complying. Because he wasn't. That doesn't mean I think the cops were being reasonable, correct or anything else, it's just a comment on his actions.

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Makes me think there is more going on here

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Has to be. It has nothing to do with compliance, when two of them are holding you up, so another can pound your face in.

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He wasn't complying.

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Are we both talking about the first video?
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We see the first commands (the first to be documented on video) to get out of the car is the moment when a cop is physically extracting him from the car. Cop wasn’t waiting and I don’t fault him. But for arrestees, that’s a holy shite moment. It’s the moment any arrestee realizes the cops are amped and ready to do what they want to do. As an arrestee you immediately know that your chances of significant injury are imminent if you do not accurately process the verbal commands.

In training, cops are trained to give loud, repetitive verbal commands because of the way human brains operate under stress (their own as well as the arrestees). It takes time to process verbal commands particularly when the animal brain is triggered into fight or flight mode. You have to overwhelm the senses to cause the arrestee to become passive and comply. You also have to nudge some people into movement. But the fact that you do, doesn’t mean they are choosing to resist.

Then we hear multiple commands directing him to get on the ground while multiple officers have hands on him. It’s not clear if some are trying to execute a physical takedown at the same time and we have no way of knowing whether the victim’s movement is because of the victim or the cops trying to position him in different directions.

But eventually we see he is on the ground. Cops continue to tell him to get on the ground. Maybe they really want him to lie flat on his stomach, but they don’t try telling him that until later with very little time for him to complete the action before we hear them giving him a different direction to put his hands behind his back (while another is gripping one of his hands). Was that the cop that was gripping the hand giving that command, or was it another cop believing a change in command was appropriate?

An arrestee can be cuffed without their hands being behind their back. Once you get that first cuff on, a two handed grip can be used to execute a pain compliance technique that works like a charm to get an arrestee to lay flat on their belly. Once you get them prone, an unassisted completion of the cuffing is a piece of cake. One person can take down another man that way, particularly when they are already on the ground. But it’s tough when fellow cops are pulling in different directions.

I see where normies can watch that and conclude there’s a lot of noncompliance going on. It’s easy to think that when there’s no shortage of noncompliance examples captured on televised camera ride-alongs.

But there’s also a lot of video out there of cops making a bad situation worse by giving conflicting or confusing commands.

As an example, have your kid, or one of your kid’s friends empty the dishwasher. Then as he or she is doing it, start yelling at them to “Empty the fricking dishwasher!” repeatedly. See how long it takes them to disengage and leave, wanting to get away from you. That’s the animal brain. Fight or flight kicks in and they know they can’t fight you.

Guy did not really have a chance to comply. Watch the beginning of the video. They came at his car yelling and did not give him time to process , they fling open the door and rip him out the all of them begin yelling. It becomes a chaotic environment. He goes down, they are still fling him around on the ground they yell get , give me your hands along with other nice. They have out tasers, night sticks, pepper spray. They continue to escalate....they did. Guy realizes probably that he is dead if he stays there so he runs.

So many of you think that cops act like rational actors.....a lot of times they don't. Just like the troopers in N.La and Ronald Green.

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Why’d he run if innocent?

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Media and race baiters have convinced a lot of blacks that cops literally want to kill them at every encounter

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So running away is going to improve the situation?

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If you’re attacked by a pack of dogs, are you going to just lie there and take it? Or are you going to try to improve the situation and try to get away?

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There's a world where he complies/behaves, he still dies anyway. It's certainly happened before. There's no world where the cops do their job correctly, this guy dies. That's the OPs point and what everyone should be rightfully focusing on

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This guy gets it. Could not have said it better myself.