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re: If Islam is a peaceful religion, then why isn’t there peace in the Middle East?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I mean the 30 Years War was sparked by religious tensions. That’s just a start. You can do the rest of your homework yourself.
Wow, one example to back up your claim. One example that isn't even all that strong, since the 30 Years War had a whole list of causes and only one of them was religious.
That's kind of what I thought.
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meant to make fun of the Arabic phrase “allahu akbar”.
What does allahu akbar mean, and in what context is it used?
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:36 pm to Mo Jeaux
That comment doesn’t follow
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:37 pm to The Torch
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the Middle East?
when was the middle east founded ?
Like I said, I don't know who you're taking about, but it's not Muslims.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:39 pm to Mo Jeaux
Regardless of CE or BCE or when a pretend prophet died the ME tribes have enjoyed hating on one another. Throw in the Jewish aspect and you have biblical history warriors. It’s what they do even on a slow Tuesday afternoon
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:40 pm to rebeloke
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:40 pm to rebeloke
In my opinion, the biggest reason why the Middle East is constantly in conflict is because the nations have arbitrary boundaries.
Europe experienced near constant warfare for over 2000 years to arrive at its present borders. Those borders do a reasonably good job of reflecting ethnic, religious, and cultural boundaries as well as defensive terrain.
South America experienced roughly a century of warfare following independence from Spain, and it resulted in mostly defensible borders that make sense. While South American governments aren’t the most stable economically, they tend to have few reasons to war with one-another.
In the Middle East, the borders are largely the result of British officials drawing arbitrary maps after WWI to divide up the former Ottoman Empire. The borders are drawn without respect to ethnic groups, defensive borders, or access to resources. For example: Iraq is drawn with no defensive borders, only one tiny port, and zero control over its water supplies while containing multiple large ethnic minorities with large populations in neighboring countries. This ensures Iraq is always unstable and always must be at war with its neighbors to maintain its water supplies or be puppeted by its neighbors to continue drinking. Similar issues exist across the Levant and Arabian peninsula, and dropping Isreal in the middle just made it even worse.
Europe experienced near constant warfare for over 2000 years to arrive at its present borders. Those borders do a reasonably good job of reflecting ethnic, religious, and cultural boundaries as well as defensive terrain.
South America experienced roughly a century of warfare following independence from Spain, and it resulted in mostly defensible borders that make sense. While South American governments aren’t the most stable economically, they tend to have few reasons to war with one-another.
In the Middle East, the borders are largely the result of British officials drawing arbitrary maps after WWI to divide up the former Ottoman Empire. The borders are drawn without respect to ethnic groups, defensive borders, or access to resources. For example: Iraq is drawn with no defensive borders, only one tiny port, and zero control over its water supplies while containing multiple large ethnic minorities with large populations in neighboring countries. This ensures Iraq is always unstable and always must be at war with its neighbors to maintain its water supplies or be puppeted by its neighbors to continue drinking. Similar issues exist across the Levant and Arabian peninsula, and dropping Isreal in the middle just made it even worse.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:41 pm to wackatimesthree
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yourself.
Wow, one example to back up your claim. One example that isn't even all that strong, since the 30 Years War had a whole list of causes and only one of them was religious.
That's kind of what I thought.
You’re such a douche. So it had religious causes. Thanks for admitting that. Since you’re too lazy to do your own homework, I’ll be generous and help you out a little. The crusades against the Cathars, the crusades against pagan communities in the Baltics, numerous other religious wars against other “heretic” communities, decades of fighting among various Protestant and Catholic factions. Hell, even the English Civil War had religious motivations.
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What does allahu akbar mean, and in what context is it used?
It means “God is the greatest”. It’s used in a lot of contexts.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:44 pm to rebeloke
For the Muhammads, they choose to subscribe to the classic Soviet definition in which peace = lack of opposition to their agenda.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:44 pm to Mo Jeaux
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You’re such a douche.
That's the mirror you are looking at.
You're the one denying—with a doe-eyed, "Who, me?"—that the entire Muslim religion is founded on conquests and forced conversions going all the way back to fricking Mohammed, the founder. That practically all of the commandments are about conquests and punishing non-believers. That the ME isn't the most theocratically governed corner of the entire planet today.
I'd detail that out way more, but I've wasted enough time on your stupid arse already today.
Everybody else here who isn't committed to being a disingenuous fricking nimrod on the issue to virtue signal their atheism gets it.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:46 pm to Nosevens
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Trying not to confuse some as Arabs and Persians have been at odd for a long time. Calling the Muslims was just an easier way to say it. But before Muhammad prophet they battled. It’s not like the history of mankind has chosen to not covet others land or goods in general and would kill to attain. They just enjoy it more
Well yeah. Alexander the Great defeated both the Persians and the Arabs, and set up a dynasty in Egypt, but that was a long time before either Jesus or Mohammed were around.
Tribes have been warring with other tribes since humans came into being.
Countries are just larger versions of tribes with well defined borders.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:48 pm to KiwiHead
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If Christianity is so peaceful, then why are two Christian nations killing each other in Ukraine?
Poor christians in developing countries are more culturally advanced and civilized than any of the wealthiest Muslim oil sheikhs in any of the Gulf countries.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:51 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's the mirror you are looking at.
Nah.
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You're the one denying—with a doe-eyed, "Who, me?"—that the entire Muslim religion is founded on conquests and forced conversions going all the way back to fricking Mohammed, the founder. That practically all of the commandments are about conquests and punishing non-believers. That the ME isn't the most theocratically governed corner of the entire planet today.
What the frick is your problem? I haven’t said anything about any of that. You’re ascribing things to me that I haven’t even commented on. It’s weird. I’m no apologist for Islam, you’ve just gotten your panties in a twist because you don’t like being called out for your ignorance about certain things.
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being a disingenuous fricking nimrod on the issue to virtue signal their atheism gets it.
Once again (I think it’s been twice this week alone), I am not an atheist. You’re just making shite up, again because of your defensiveness. You need to learn to calm the frick down.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:51 pm to Stinger_1066
When shitt hits fan though I’m in the rednecks club
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:51 pm to Stinger_1066
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Christian Europe has been constantly at war as well.
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Fighting over religious issues?
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Yes.
Examples:
The French Wars of Religion (1562 - 1598)
The Thirty Years War (1618 - 1648)
Hello 10th-17th centuries, the 21st century welcomes to you.Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:56 pm to rebeloke
W says it's a religion of peace. It brings hope and comfort. W says so.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:56 pm to wackatimesthree
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That's the mirror you are looking at.
You're the one denying—with a doe-eyed, "Who, me?"—that the entire Muslim religion is founded on conquests and forced conversions going all the way back to fricking Mohammed, the founder. That practically all of the commandments are about conquests and punishing non-believers. That the ME isn't the most theocratically governed corner of the entire planet today.
I'd detail that out way more, but I've wasted enough time on your stupid arse already today.
Everybody else here who isn't committed to being a disingenuous fricking nimrod on the issue to virtue signal their atheism gets it.
I provided some examples for you in an earlier post, but here it is again.
The Catholic church waged war / crusades, for several centuries prior to the reformation, against what they considered to be heretical groups of Christians within Europe.
Back then, the European countries that we know today did not exist. They were mostly duchies. And every now an then, the ruler of a duchy would rebel against the church, and the Pope would declare a crusade in order to quell the rebellion.
After the reformation, there were quite a few Catholic vs Protestant / state vs state wars. Not just England vs Ireland.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 1:59 pm to Nosevens
Islam has only been around for 1500 years or so
Iran was initially Persians and were believers in Zoroaster which was a monotheistic religion.
Iran was initially Persians and were believers in Zoroaster which was a monotheistic religion.
Posted on 10/13/26 at 2:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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Hello 10th-17th centuries, the 21st century welcomes to you.
Well, yeah. Because after that, the religious monarchies started getting overthrown, so there were no longer any religion-based countries.
You may have heard of the French Revolution, and others like it, where secular governments took control. Kind of like the country you live in now.
But those countries with secular governments continued to wage war with each other.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 10/13/26 at 2:01 pm to kingbob
Well said,
This also happened in Afghanistan/Pakistan
This also happened in Afghanistan/Pakistan
Posted on 10/13/26 at 2:03 pm to lsucoonass
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Well said,
This also happened in Afghanistan/Pakistan
Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. The British created all of those countries.
When I was a kid, Bangladesh was called East Pakistan.
This post was edited on 10/13/26 at 2:04 pm
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