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If I’m supposed to trust the science, show me data on climate change and China virus

Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:40 pm
Posted by Lickitty Split
Inside
Member since Apr 2017
3911 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:40 pm
I want the non-manipulated climate data that shows the medieval warming period and doesn’t use gauges located on blacktop roads. I understand the climate changes naturally so no need to go there. I understand these scientist used to call it global cooling and then change to global warming and now it’s man made climate change. It’s all about proper branding.

So just give me the scientific data that all these scientists believe. I want to see the proof.

I also want to see the data as it relates to actual verifiable positive covid tests for people who used a PCR test with a maximum cycle of 35 or below. Anything over 35 extremely unreliable. Even at 35 cycles the test isn’t as reliable. Now they are saying it should be 27 cycles or below. I want to see the data. Otherwise, these scientists are just money hungry liars or data manipulators.

I don’t want graphs that strategically start at a low point and in at a strategically high apex. I want the full set of data.

Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6505 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 11:50 pm to
Hell, prove to me that chromosomes don't determine gender anymore.

"Science" is nothing but shite now. A political revolutionary movement. Our "Science" is becoming as valid as "Scientific Socialism" in the Ooo Ess Ess Rrr.
Posted by hbkyle
Member since Nov 2020
40 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:17 am to
Scientific method with Climate Change

1 - Make an observation - CO2 has increased from manmade sources by 100 PPM

2 - Ask a question - does 100 PPM INCREASE OF CO2 increase affect climate?

3 - Propose a hypothesis - 100 additional PPM of CO2 will result in global heating

4 - Make predictions - models indicate temp will increase and effects will be devastating.

For some reason the scientific method stops here for Global Warming / Climate Change. The parts that are left off are:

5 - Analyze data - actual observations are very different from projections of the models. Temps haven’t increased and devastation has not happened.

6 - Form a conclusion - there is no evidence that 100 PPM increase in CO2 results in higher temperatures and climate or ecological devastation.

There is your real science regarding Climate Change. It’s pretty simple. We are supposed to believe models in Step 4 without further examination of steps 5 & 6.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:36 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46511 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:19 am to
I'm not going down the climate change rabbit hole tonight.

With respect to the COVID PCR and cycle threshold, the range of positivity is determined by the various manufacturers and varies from test to test and lab to lab. Generally speaking, lower cycle thresholds correlate with higher viral loads and (more loosely) disease severity, but nobody can give a uniformly definitive "A Ct above this threshold represents a negative test result" type answer simply because of the nature of lab test variability. This is true of virtually all tests, as values and positivity ranges are going to vary based on who is producing the various tests.

And "trust the science" is a purely political term. It's so nonspecific as to be rendered meaningless in any practical sense. I have to know what or whom I'm being asked to trust in, what the person making the statement defines as "science", etc. And even then we're only getting started.

The problem with science as it relates to human perception is that, as it progresses, it tends to slowly encroach upon and violate many of our sacredly held political/social/religious/etc. beliefs. That means that both those conducting the investigations (ie the scientists) and those receiving and evaluating their findings often have a vested interest in NOT agreeing with what the data shows. This leaves open both the possibility of internal corruption, and (much more commonly) external defense mechanisms by the population at large to disprove uncomfortable realities. This is made even worse by the fact that the vast majority of people are entirely unqualified by their academic/knowledge background to even intelligently evaluate any given claim to begin with, regardless of how they feel about it. The number of people actually qualified to assess the nuance of the climate change debate, for instance, is exceedingly small relative to the number of people who attempt to speak definitively on the matter.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:22 am
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
3228 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:25 am to
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Hell, prove to me that chromosomes don't determine gender anymore.

The party of "science" claims a woman can be a man just by saying they are.
They claim man is causing the climate to change, but previously they called this global warming. If man causes global warming, but man claims they are a woman, then will it now be woman causes global warming?
These scientists have some explaining to do.
Posted by obdobd918
Member since Jun 2020
3228 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:28 am to
This explains "climate change":
LINK

Prior to reading this, Use extreme caution if you are a liberal. Liberals heads might explode, if they try to read it.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
10978 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:04 am to
Don’t ice not stay cold in sunshine?

Why come it is now water after tail pipe air melts it?

Water drops that was ice proofs that air now more hotter than when no ice water happened.

Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
5902 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:25 am to



folks truly interested in following the climate change should log on to the Whats Up With That site. over the years they have tended to provide facts rather than opinion.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
14281 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:34 am to
Leftists refused to acknowledge the findings of data scientists related to election fraud. These experts studied events that already occurred and made observations about what happened.

Global weather change alarmists take altered data (i.e. things that never occurred) and try to model out what might occur. For example, the UN predicted disaster if global warming isn’t addressed. Be sure to pay attention to the dates.
Posted by BiteMe2020
Texas
Member since Nov 2020
7284 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:47 am to
I'm old enough to remember the Michael Mann "Hide the decline" scandal.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19359 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:50 am to
You're not supposed to look into the science or challenge it.

What they mean when they say "trust the science" is translated to "listen and obey but do not question" in Totalitarianism
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10401 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:52 am to
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the fact that the vast majority of people are entirely unqualified by their academic/knowledge background to even intelligently evaluate any given claim to begin with, regardless of how they feel about it. The number of people actually qualified to assess the nuance of the climate change debate, for instance, is exceedingly small relative to the number of people who attempt to speak definitively on the matter.


Now you've done it. You've insulted the education level of the basement dwelling masses. And insinuated that maybe they're nothing more than keyboard experts after all.

Prepare for the hate.
Posted by BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Member since May 2019
7039 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 6:59 am to
Daily Signal article

Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg each, independently funded, climate change reports a few years back. Of course they found that the Earth was doomed. And, of course they each had organizations that could profit from saving the planet.

This is like having a home security firm research the crime statistics in your neighborhood. But dont worry, they have the perfect system that will keep your family safe!
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25486 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 7:01 am to
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If I’m supposed to trust the science, show me data on climate change and China virus


Why are you such a white supremacist?
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
6498 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:19 am to
quote:

quote:

the fact that the vast majority of people are entirely unqualified by their academic/knowledge background to even intelligently evaluate any given claim to begin with, regardless of how they feel about it. The number of people actually qualified to assess the nuance of the climate change debate, for instance, is exceedingly small relative to the number of people who attempt to speak definitively on the matter.


Now you've done it. You've insulted the education level of the basement dwelling masses. And insinuated that maybe they're nothing more than keyboard experts after all.

Prepare for the hate.


It doesn't take someone with even an average intellect to understand that conclusions based on false and manipulated data are wrong. Keep listening to the "experts" though. Your appeals to authority are quite evident to people with greater than average intelligence.

A person with a PhD in climate science is still wrong when they use falsified data. If you've done any semblance of research into the global warming hysteria, you would know that temperature readings have been manipulated and even downright made up in order to support the theories in complete contradiction to the scientific method.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19359 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:43 am to
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even downright made up in order to support the theories in complete contradiction to the scientific method.


And if you ask them to explain the concrete evidence of the Younger Dryas period, you get called a conspiracy theorist.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112475 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:27 am to
I researched global warming for the decade of the 90s.
Hundreds of scientific articles with data. Here is the short story:

1. Global warming is natural. So is cooling. Human activity has no effect.

2. Thousands of scientists have written about man's irrelevance but they are banned from international conferences that are run by globalists who want money from the U.S.

3. Greenhouse effect happens. It is caused by water vapor. CO2 is so small it has no effect.

4. The push for controlling the climate coincided with the fall of communism in USSR/E. Europe. Perhaps that's a coincidence.
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11102 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:30 am to
If it makes you feel better we've been having this issue for over 100 years in this country and we're still surviving.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7318 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:34 am to
People don’t enter the field of climate science unless they are passionate about climate change. This leaves them trying to prove a preconceived notion instead of looking at the science impartially.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72653 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:34 am to
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