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re: If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:31 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:31 pm to AggieHank86
quote:Which is why I posted this previously
probably DOES have a desensitizing effect regarding non-standard gender norms and behaviors (which I don't necessarily see as a "bad thing").
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Transgender youth reported significantly increased rates of depression, suicidality, and victimization compared to their cisgender peers.
Not good!
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:34 pm to AggieHank86
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most people have attended a burlesque show or a Vegas stage show. I don't see anything odd about any of them, and I would be very surprised if 95% of my acquaintances have not done all three.
We are talking about staging something in a public place lik a library and advertising it. As a kids event.
If you want to take you 6 yr old girl to watch them make a porn film then do it. It is wrong but it’s your kid. But you better not bring your porn show to a library where my kids have been invited to see a play.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:34 pm to moneyg
quote:I use the established definition, which you (for obvious reasons) choose to ignore.
You narrowly define grooming
quote:I have NEVER argued that ACTUAL "grooming" is OK, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt on poor writing skills and assume you mean that I contend "drag story hour" is OK. Incidentally, that is a courtesy that you decline to show to me.
then, on that basis, conclude that it’s ok
quote:You keep insisting upon this, but it is just NOT supported by any evidence. Repetition only makes it fact to the simpleminded. I have seen NO EVIDENCE in any of the literature that pedophilia is any more common in drag performers than in any other random demographic, and you have certainly presented no such evidence. Likewise, the literature shows that performing in drag is NOT a sexual fetish for the vast majority of drag performers, so even the mere costumes are not "sexual in nature."
It (drag story hour?) is sexual in nature.
Do many of them see it as a SOCIAL statement?
Absolutely, but that is not sexual either.
quote:I have enjoyed refuting some really stupid and ill-informed positions. If that "aligns" me in your mind. so be it.
you’ve aligned yourself with that lifestyle.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:34 pm to AggieHank86
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No, I have argued that it is not "sexual grooming" by the drag performers, with ACTUAL "grooming" certainly being a "bad thing."
Semantics games to hide your belief system.
Let's be specific with an hypothetical example:
Aggie Hank is a homosexual.
Aggie Hank is not attracted to children.
Aggie Hank actively promotes homosexuality and perverted homosexual topics with very young children in an attempt to normalize the behavior.
Aggie Hank doesn't want to have sexual contact with those children right then. Remember, he's not attracted to children.
Aggie Hank is simply trying to increase the volume of homosexuals and would be as willing to engage in gay sex with those kids when they become of age as any other of age gay person.
Now, in your world, you'd say that's not sexual grooming. I personally don't care what label you give it. It's wrong. Or, in your words, it's a "bad thing".
Do you agree that Aggie Hank's behavior is wrong...regardless of the semantics used to describe it?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:There is a limit to the number of rhetorical balls that I can juggle simultaneously. There is ZERO evidence to support the notion that Drag Story Hour is a cause in increased self-identification of kids as transgender, and I am not going to expend much energy in this thread arguing as to the many reasons for that increase. Suffice to say that it is "trendy," and kids like to be "trendy."
So doubling the number of transgender teens in just 5 yrs is happenstance?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:38 pm to AggieHank86
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(several of whom are just trolling anyway, with Ooga leading that camp),
Sorry for forcing you to post incessant drivel in a thread I created.
I love how you constantly try to play the victim.
Cluster B Personality traits and all thatshit.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:40 pm to AggieHank86
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There is ZERO evidence to support the notion that Drag Story Hour is a cause in increased self-identification of kids as transgender,
Right. They're just doing it because they happen to love spending inordinate amounts of time with other people's children in full sexualized regalia. Their perversion has nothing to do with the phenomenon.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:40 pm to roadGator
quote:That would certainly be one of many reasonable explanations, in a vacuum. But you and I have known one another casually for years, and you know as well as anyone that I just like to debate interesting topics.
If you had a drag queen in your life in some capacity spending much of the day in this thread would make more sense. Agreed?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:41 pm to roadGator
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much more succinct would have been, “Because I’m Hank”.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:41 pm to oogabooga68
why can't drags just read to drags?
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:41 pm to AggieHank86
Yes. And having a drag queen in your life would certainly make this thread more “interesting” for you.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:42 pm to Chad504boy
It’s not as arousing for them.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:43 pm to moneyg
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Semantics games to hide your belief system.
On more than one occasion, Mr. Locke has commented on the ever-evolving nature of language.....but ONLY when it suits his purpose.
He uses a very specific, narrow definition of "grooming" in an effort to deflect what is, to ANY sane person, INDEED a form of grooming.
Once you figure out his real-world problem, he's quite the simpleton as he is bound to a specific set of behaviors that are beyond his control.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
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and you know as well as anyone that I just like to debate interesting topics.
Mighty fancy way of saying "troll".
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:46 pm to oogabooga68
Guy that used to be a manager at a restaurant where I worked in college also did drag shows
But he didn't dress up like that for work
It's obviously something that really is more for special occasions and not every day attire for these people
But he didn't dress up like that for work
It's obviously something that really is more for special occasions and not every day attire for these people
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:47 pm to Powerman
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But he didn't dress up like that for work
Exactly my point.
If you are seeking acceptance by the Mainstream, you don't seek it by dressing like a freak and pretending to care about child literacy.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:48 pm to AggieHank86
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My mother was an English teacher. She taught me far better grammar and usage than the norm.
What's important is the topic at hand...not the language.
You are obfuscating the discussion via language. Smart people use language to clarify. You use it to hide behind.
I offered a specific hypothetical in an attempt to allow you to clearly express your opinion on the topic without the chains of language and "accepted definitions". You've chosen to ignore it. I think we know why.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:50 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:Bandit, the danger of a long thread (especially one with lots of comments from the gallery) is that you tend to get three or four barely-related discussions.
We are talking about staging something in a public place like a library and advertising it. As a kids event. If you want to take you 6 yr old girl to watch them make a porn film then do it. It is wrong but it’s your kid. But you better not bring your porn show to a library where my kids have been invited to see a play
My (apparently-erroneous) belief that most worldly adults have seen a drag show does not mean that I think it is appropriate to take a child to a drag show.
If you have attended such a show, you understand that it bears NO resemblance to the library events that I have been discussing. The library events seem to be innocuous, other than the outlandish costumes, and they certainly bear no resemblance to your porn film.
Unfortunately, events like the "lick it" thing on Oak Lawn in Dallas DO bear a strong resemblance to an actual drag show (or porn film). That is unfortunate, but it is also a completely different topic.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:50 pm to oogabooga68
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Mighty fancy way of saying "troll".
I think there's a very high probability that you are giving him too much credit. He seems personally invested in some way.
Posted on 6/15/22 at 1:50 pm to AggieHank86
quote:In trying to decipher some confusion here, it appears you misinterpret the Definition of Grooming. You say "ACTUAL 'grooming' is a first-person activity, by which a specific predator cultivates a relationship with a specific potential victim, with the aim of obtaining sexual gratification from that potential victim.."
No, I have argued that it is not "sexual grooming"
Your presumption seems to be the groomer must have the intent to personally assault the victim. That is not a necessary element. Ghislaine Maxwell was a groomer. Her goal was preparation of underage victims for Jeff Epstein's sexual gratification.
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