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re: If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes

Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:29 pm to
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Your presumption seems to be the groomer must have the intent to personally assault the victim. That is not a necessary element. Ghislaine Maxwell was a groomer. Her goal was preparation of underage victims for Jeff Epstein's sexual gratification.
Sorry, but that is the definition for the DoJ and for the ABA.

Maxwell's role was more as a "facilitator" for Epstein, as opposed to that of a "groomer." Both wrong, but both distinct.

Of course, Epstein was also not a pedophile, but rather an ephebophile. Her role was less one of getting prepubescent girls prepared for the notion of sex than one of finding post-pubescent girls and making them available to him.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:30 pm to
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A Psychiatrist would have a field day with that statement and your Cluster B personality traits.
Yippee. You have found another psychological term that you don't understand and will insert into every third sentence. Joy.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14230 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:30 pm to
So men scantily dressed as women have pure intentions. But women scantily dressed can never, under any circumstances mean anything good.


Got it. Cant wait for feminists to figure out they’ve been left in a trash bin
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:32 pm to
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They see something like this Story Hour as a type of performance.


With a purpose.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1050 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:32 pm to
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axwell's role was more as a "facilitator" for Epstein, as opposed to that of a "groomer."


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From at least 1994 through at least 1997, Ghislaine Maxwell assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Jeffrey Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18
Federal Indictment
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15858 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:33 pm to
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Maxwell's role was more as a "facilitator" for Epstein, as opposed to that of a "groomer." Both wrong, but both distinct.


Have you ever thought about just shutting the hell up. You just want to argue and be right no matter the subject.
Who gives a sh*t about the right terminology they are trash and deserve to be out of society period.
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:33 pm to
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Why do circus clowns wear their makeup when performing for kids? Certainly they could do magic tricks and tie balloon animals in street clothes, right?

Because they are PERFORMERS. It is their NATURE.

Seriously, people, have you ever attended a Drag Show? It is basically burlesque, with folks wearing the "wrong" clothes." Is anyone actually SURPRISED that flamboyant burlesque performers engage in attention-seeking behavior?


This is shtick, right? No one actually believes the shite you post is meant to be taken seriously, right?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:34 pm to
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GroomerHank definitely didn’t have a strong male presence in his life growing up. If his dad was there, he was probably a limp-wristed pussy who got walked all over
My father was a 6'5" 260-pound college football player who raised cattle for a living. I worked beside him on the ranch from the day I was old enough to steer the truck while he dumped the hay bales.

Your pop psychology is failing you badly.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:35 pm to
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he's saying that because of that narrow definition Maxwell wasn't wrong
Fascinating. You simply must get me one of those secret decoder rings.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139044 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:39 pm to
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Sorry, but that is the definition for the DoJ and for the ABA.
Tell that to U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss.
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Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who dated convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, was found guilty by a New York City jury of helping her former boyfriend groom underage girls for sexual abuse, according to a New York City jury.
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During a press conference following Maxwell's arrest last year, then U.S. Attorney Audrey Strauss detailed some of the allegations against Maxwell, asserting that she helped Epstein "identify, befriend and groom minor victims of abuse"

LINK
Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18910 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:41 pm to
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My father was a 6'5" 260-pound college football player who raised cattle for a living. I worked beside him on the ranch from the day I was old enough to steer the truck while he dumped the hay bales.


Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:47 pm to
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Are there any drag kings?
There are.

A good, entertaining show will feature both.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Drag queens take this shite seriously. If you were to walk in a drag dressing room and spout the nonsense you just said you wouldn't leave in one piece.

The fact is IF this were really about just reading to kids then they wouldn't dress up. This is 100% about demanding that everyone accepts them and that this becomes normal in society
I have said at least THREE times that Drag Story Hour participation has STRONG elements of a desire for acceptance, affirmation and validation.
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5240 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:50 pm to
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They see something like this Story Hour as a type of performance.



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With a purpose.



Road...maybe we're trying to overthink this thing and should agree with Hank that this is no big deal? It could be that all these "dragged peoples" really missed their calling in life to be English teachers, and since they just didn't have the smarts to do this, dressing up and reading to kids is as close to doing this as they can get. On the other hand....F it, they're sicko's .
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63089 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 2:51 pm to
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You drafted a hypothetical scenario in which you cast me in the role of a homosexual groomer


So, you admit the Aggie Hank in the hypothetical I proposed is a homosexual groomer?

You are all over the place.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15858 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:00 pm to
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have said at least THREE times that Drag Story Hour participation has STRONG elements of a desire for acceptance, affirmation and validation.


You literally posted that a drag show was like burlesque and making fun of it. That's exactly what I mean you argue just for the sake of arguing and the need to always be correct. In my part of the woods we call that talking out of both sides of your mouth.

So which one is it? Is it a burlesque show or are they wanting acceptance of their lifestyle?
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
15858 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:04 pm to
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Enough of this shite. No, I am not. And I have finally had enough and RA'd you. Your accusations and implications


So your big 6'5" tough dad raised a kid that gets emotional triggered over WORDS from a complete stranger on a forum where he will never even meet this person.

The only person that is allowing those words to hurt you is YOU. If you're not what he called you then why would you care what he says.

C'mon Aggiehank you're better than that.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 3:06 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:10 pm to
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You literally posted that a drag show was like burlesque and making fun of it
I said that a drag show is "like burlesque," but I certainly did not make fun of it.
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So which one is it? Is it a burlesque show or are they wanting acceptance of their lifestyle?
You are talking about two different things, which I discussed in different places.

IN MY OPINION, a drag show is much like a burlesque show. That is not a bad thing. In both, some performers are VERY serious and some embrace campiness. Do you disagree?

IN MY OPINION, one reason that drag performers participate in the Story Hour events is a desire for wider acceptance and an element of validation outside their "scene." I think this is perfectly normal, and I certainly have no problem with it.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:13 pm to
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So your big 6'5" tough dad raised a kid that gets emotional triggered over WORDS from a complete stranger on a forum where he will never even meet this person.
Actually, he raised a kid that would have punched that a-hole in the mouth, but I grew up and have not hit another human in 40 years.
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The only person that is allowing those words to hurt you is YOU
True enough. But it was uncalled for, and I have no other available avenue for addressing it.
This post was edited on 6/15/22 at 3:43 pm
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/15/22 at 3:25 pm to
Good Lord, son, I have mentioned in passing that my dad played for Darrell Royal any number of times since joining TD, usually in threads comparing TAMU and t.u. Why would that be something you would suddenly treat with skepticism.

Not like him being big made me a big guy. I played in HS at 5'9" and 185#.
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