re: House just voted to pass the rule and advance to vote. All 10 of Massie’s “holdouts” flip

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But, can we get this immigration package WITHOUT 5 Trillion in additional spending?

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No.

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You know, it’s really not too much to ask

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It's way too much to ask given the numbers in Congress.

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“conservatives” have the House, Senate, White House.

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Republicans hold a razor edge margin in both chambers of Congress and many, if not most, are not fiscal conservatives. And the President is a practical man above an ideological man. These are the realities. You want better results, elect better Republicans. Until then, you take what you can get.

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Republicans hold a razor edge margin in both chambers of Congress

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So “CAINT!!!! MIDTERMS AND ALL!!!!”


Thanks

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House just voted to pass the rule and advance to vote. All 10 of Massie’s “holdouts” flip

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Not sure I understand all of this parliamentary maneuvering.

I see 10’s of billions of tax dollars that are going to be spent that shouldn’t have been needed. If the last administration would not have opened these borders to the illegal wolf aliens then this money could have been used directly to address the problems with the democrats own mistakes here

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you're gonna wind up with a MAGA lower back tat before it's all over with.

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Another thing to ponder

We are getting all this immigration stuff without giving up anything to the dems

All this without having to give the open borders Dems anything to secure their votes.

No amnesty. No DACA. No “pathway to citizenship.” No trades.

The idea of “comprehensive immigration reform” is dead forever. We’re free.

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good point. I didn't look at the immigration portion that way. It's a steamroller that ran over the old swayback horse the RINOs traded for.

To jdoc's point... yes, it is a start (fiscally). A slow start. A little more kick-the-can than many prefer with the growth dependency (1.8% is stupid also). But IF Congress follows through with DOGE waste/fraud and then some more a decent start.

For all of our sakes here please remember the accounting tricks. We're constantly being lied to from all angles about this bill. For example, if you 'move' $140 bbn from USAID to Immigration one side for the bill will tell you they cut $140 bbn. The side against will tell you they added $140 bbn. to the deficit in increased spending. Both sides are factually true, but it is a half-truth.

Dissent is good. I wonder if he was given anything to get the caucus to move.

Judges?

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Massie himself flipped back to yes to advance to final vote

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So he backtracked on all of his own preaching the other day

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not necessarily.

He held out on the vote to send to floor debate to bitch some more.

Then he'll vote yes to put on floor, at which time he will then vote no. Bitch some more.

I.e., he swapped his vote to yes to advance just so he could vote no on the actual bill.

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Devastating to MDS sufferers

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I think it’s more devastating to the people who called him “principled” and defended him. Your boy flipped after talking tough. Just like he was always going to do