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re: Hospital stops Ivermectin even after a drop from 100% Vent to 50%..Wife goes back to court
Posted on 9/7/21 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 9/7/21 at 7:49 am to NC_Tigah
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Early intervention casirivimab/imdevimab (Regeneron) is not indicated as CV19 PrEP/PEP prophylaxis.
False. It has received an EUA for post exposure prophylaxis. Probably should listen to your pharmacists more.
It’s also approved for subcutaneous administration. Why don’t urgent care clinics obtain vials for administration at time of diagnosis?
Because despite your outlook, prescribers and especially urgent care prescribers are predominantly lazy and generally take the path of least resistance. It’s easier to just give jethro a script for the anti parasitic he’s asking for instead of convince him to get an infusion/injection and facilitate it’s administration.
Big part of institutional pharmacy is making it difficult for doctors to do the wrong thing and easier to do the right thing. That is a fact of modern medicine.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 7:50 am
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:10 am to Tiguar
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Big part of institutional pharmacy is making it difficult for doctors to do the wrong thing and easier to do the right thing. That is a fact of modern medicine.
This is an embarrassing admission for doctors and absolutely a sign of a failed institution.
We aren't talking about a pharmacist identifying a bad interaction between medicines. We're talking about a pharmacist deciding what is best for the patient in opposition of his/her doctor.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:11 am to Tiguar
Why not make this a win/ win make "Jethro" happy and do BOTH? Cover your bets. Tiguar if you can say conclusively without any doubt that Ivermectin has zero value here then someone should give up their license to practice medicine.
Because there are literally thousands of MD's worldwide that use it and report success. Either they are wrong sir or you are, and frankly with your attitude I would fire your arse in a heartbeat.
There are some first class people practicing medicine. There are also some real arrogant assgaskets. Some of those assgaskets are very good at what they do. Some ain't. But what all of you have to realize is those aren't placebos you mess with every day.
Oh well that didn't work the patient died on to the next one maybe it'll work with this one. That isn't going to cut it. I've fired a few of you I'm paying the damn bill you work for ME and if I don't like what you do I'll find one that gets the job done.
Because there are literally thousands of MD's worldwide that use it and report success. Either they are wrong sir or you are, and frankly with your attitude I would fire your arse in a heartbeat.
There are some first class people practicing medicine. There are also some real arrogant assgaskets. Some of those assgaskets are very good at what they do. Some ain't. But what all of you have to realize is those aren't placebos you mess with every day.
Oh well that didn't work the patient died on to the next one maybe it'll work with this one. That isn't going to cut it. I've fired a few of you I'm paying the damn bill you work for ME and if I don't like what you do I'll find one that gets the job done.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:16 am to antibarner
I don’t know if it has zero value or not. I do know that while NC tiger thinks it isn’t an “either or” issue, practically it is because people will just do what’s easier if they think there is an alternative.
People will think I’m lying but I had a BMI 50+ family member go to a for-profit urgent care unaffiliated with a health care system. I told them to ask for a MAB referral.
The urgent care told them they are not a MAB candidate because they aren’t 65 (LOL) and sent them home with a script for ivermectin and quercitin.
That family member is now rolling around an oxygen tank after spending a week in the hospital.
The urgent care has no motivation to do the right thing because the local hospital having to go on diversion or halt elective surgeries is immaterial to them. They cannot charge for Regeneron. There is no real motivation for them to pursue it.
Look, I really don’t care if someone gets ivermectin as long as they do the shite that works, too. The data is inconclusive and that’s fair-try it. But the data is NOT inconclusive on Regeneron. Don’t shun something that works for something that may or may not.
People will think I’m lying but I had a BMI 50+ family member go to a for-profit urgent care unaffiliated with a health care system. I told them to ask for a MAB referral.
The urgent care told them they are not a MAB candidate because they aren’t 65 (LOL) and sent them home with a script for ivermectin and quercitin.
That family member is now rolling around an oxygen tank after spending a week in the hospital.
The urgent care has no motivation to do the right thing because the local hospital having to go on diversion or halt elective surgeries is immaterial to them. They cannot charge for Regeneron. There is no real motivation for them to pursue it.
Look, I really don’t care if someone gets ivermectin as long as they do the shite that works, too. The data is inconclusive and that’s fair-try it. But the data is NOT inconclusive on Regeneron. Don’t shun something that works for something that may or may not.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 8:20 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:23 am to Tiguar
I don't have an issue with Regeneron. If anything has value use it. Nothing is a magical 100% cure all, hell, aspirin won't stop every headache.
The problem I have is the mainstream medical community fighting like tigers with media support to stop those MD's that wish to use Ivermectin or HDQ. Much of that is purely political.
These people on vents that have tried everything else, hell, what harm can it do? They are likely dead anyway.
The problem I have is the mainstream medical community fighting like tigers with media support to stop those MD's that wish to use Ivermectin or HDQ. Much of that is purely political.
These people on vents that have tried everything else, hell, what harm can it do? They are likely dead anyway.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 8:27 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:25 am to thejudge
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Remdesivir
Was a “cure” looking for a disease. It was developed for Ebola, and it failed there.
So...here we are.
Pretty sure Fauci was tickled pink last year whenever it got its EUA, saying we finally had a weapon to fight or something like that.
How many thousands of dollars does each dose cost?
For how many more years is it under patent?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:26 am to omegaman66
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You suck as a doctor. If not a doctor then your hospital sucks.
You suck as a poster. What’s your suggestion there sawbones?
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:28 am to Tiguar
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Ivermectin scripts are being denied because doctors would rather write for a pill than go through the trouble of getting someone an infusion.
Really? I thought they were being denied because the AMA recommended removal of liability for those prescribing Ivermectin ..... that's what my physician told me regarding it.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:32 am to Tigahs24Seven
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Why would you shove an entire pill down an NG tube....? Unusual verbiage and method of administration.
Maybe if it was in a paste form it would absorb more easily.. if only something like that were available.
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Have used loads of remdesivir, olumiant,kevzara, steroids, etc. Bottomline, if old and obese- not good. Prevention is the main key. At our hospital, over 90% admitted unvaccinated and 97% on vent are unvaccinated.
You suck at sales. The vaccines appear to be totally useless at prevention.
If only there were something that was cheap and easily distributed and an effective prophylactic.. if only something like that were available.
The only thing the vaccines appear to be really good for is creating pharma billionaires and enabling tyrants. Cheap, effective prophylactics would stop that too. Everything else is moot, that's the bottom line.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:35 am to antibarner
The NNT for MABs is nine to prevent one hospitalization when used in the setting of age or obesity as the risk factor. That is incredible for a relatively low risk intervention. It is in fact the miracle drug ivermectin claims to be.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:36 am to tigerfoot
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I am as skeptical of the horse cream
Skepticism is always a good thing, but don’t be an ignorant prick.
Ivermectin is on the W.H.O.’s list of essential medicines. Don’t pretend that it hasn’t been prescribed to humans for four decades now.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:52 am to onmymedicalgrind
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?
When did this happen? Haven’t heard. If you are speaking of this instance… you need to review the circumstances again.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:56 am to Sasquatch Smash
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How many thousands of dollars does each dose cost?
$3100
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:56 am to Jjdoc
I own a medical clinic and employ medical doctors.
The one thing that will guarantee a patient being refused a treatment is telling an MD he or she has to give it to them.
There are exceptions to every rule and that applies to this one as well, but the rule IME is that MDs tend to have similar personality traits, and one of those personality traits is having an overbig and yet at the same time a very fragile ego.
You ain't going to tell them what to do. Not for long, anyway.
The one thing that will guarantee a patient being refused a treatment is telling an MD he or she has to give it to them.
There are exceptions to every rule and that applies to this one as well, but the rule IME is that MDs tend to have similar personality traits, and one of those personality traits is having an overbig and yet at the same time a very fragile ego.
You ain't going to tell them what to do. Not for long, anyway.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 9:15 am to LSU alum wannabe
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What’s your suggestion there sawbones?
Ummmm. maybe stop giving sick people crap that doesn't work and cost a ridiculous amount of money.
And maybe follow up with prescribing covid19 people something that will help instead of sending them home until their illness progresses to the point that they have breathing problems.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 9:41 am to Tiguar
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The urgent care told them they are not a MAB candidate because they aren’t 65 (LOL) and sent them home with a script for ivermectin and quercitin.
As usual I call bullshite on your post. #1 Ivermectin scripts are NOT being filled by the vax crazy PHARMACISTS, so where did your relative get this Ivermectin that they took that did not work? #2 Quercitin is OTC and can be found everywhere.. Why did they write a script for it?.
Your post is quite suspect, but I do appreciate you softening your ridiculous stance on Ivermectin just a little. The evidence is becoming overwhelming that it is a useful tool in the arsenal. As soon as the very high priced Ivermectin knock off pill comes out from the pharma companies you Ivermectin deniers will have to bend the knee and realize we are being manipulated for money, and the fought a good treatment that made them no money.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 9:50 am to Tiguar
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The NNT for MABs is nine to prevent one hospitalization when used in the setting of age or obesity as the risk factor. That is incredible for a relatively low risk intervention. It is in fact the miracle drug ivermectin claims to be.
You are the only one arguing Regeneron vs. Ivermectin. It's a straw man.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 9:51 am to onmymedicalgrind
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?
At the point your field is absolutely corrupted by politics the only thing left is to use any means necessary.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 9:53 am to Tigahs24Seven
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As soon as the very high priced Ivermectin knock off pill comes out from the pharma companies you Ivermectin deniers will have to bend the knee and realize we are being manipulated for money,
They will claim it is different.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 10:08 am to Tiguar
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I had a BMI 50+ family member
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sent them home with a script for ivermectin
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That family member is now rolling around an oxygen tank after spending a week in the hospital.
Glad to hear they're doing better.
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