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re: Hospital stops Ivermectin even after a drop from 100% Vent to 50%..Wife goes back to court
Posted on 9/6/21 at 6:40 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
Posted on 9/6/21 at 6:40 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
It is not in dispute that nothing the conventional MD's
did helped. They have written this guy off. Period and don't try to argue.
He is going to die according to conventional wisdom. So there's no harm in trying this treatment. Seeing some sign of improvement, ANY sign, in my mind makes it criminal to stop the treatment. If he was improving on his own, stopping the treatment would have no effect on that and should prove ivermectin had no effect.
If he crashes, there should be arrests for murder,
did helped. They have written this guy off. Period and don't try to argue.
He is going to die according to conventional wisdom. So there's no harm in trying this treatment. Seeing some sign of improvement, ANY sign, in my mind makes it criminal to stop the treatment. If he was improving on his own, stopping the treatment would have no effect on that and should prove ivermectin had no effect.
If he crashes, there should be arrests for murder,
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Posted on 9/6/21 at 6:45 pm to Jjdoc
Vent settings at 100% means nothing to me. What is the tidal volume, RR, PEEP, Spontaneous Breaths, response to breathing trial, % O2.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 6:55 pm to GumboPot
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The dude is going to fricking die. Giving him ivermectin is not going to save him according to the "doctors". So just give it to him. No harm no foul.
This is really the kind of bizarre part of all of this. They could’ve allowed the family the ivermectin, the patient likely still dies and there’s no harm no foul on either side. But the hospital wants to prove they’re the really smart ones. So they don’t mind fricking with the patient’s familys’ minds.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 8:12 pm to the808bass
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This is really the kind of bizarre part of all of this. They could’ve allowed the family the ivermectin, the patient likely still dies and there’s no harm no foul on either side. But the hospital wants to prove they’re the really smart ones. So they don’t mind fricking with the patient’s familys’ minds.
Because we take an oath to practice good medicine. We try to do the right thing. The likelihood a patient that has been on a vent for while giving him pills down a tube in the nose with low protein and intestinal swelling is very unlikely to be absorbed much less work. Can easily cause a pill ulcer that can lead to a perforation. Will do more harm than good. Once they have covid pneumonia or Ards, nothing helps except supportive care and time. Have used loads of remdesivir, olumiant,kevzara, steroids, etc. Bottomline, if old and obese- not good. Prevention is the main key. At our hospital, over 90% admitted unvaccinated and 97% on vent are unvaccinated. At present we have 2 on vents in their 20's, 2 in their 30's, and so on. Have no idea why some have made this such a political controversy. The ones that make it off the vent will likely not have normal lung function as well as damage to other organs.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:34 pm to montjrtiger
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Because we take an oath to practice good medicine.
Lol. Sell that shite somewhere they’re buying it.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:39 pm to the808bass
Pete Lopez is dead.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:41 pm to antibarner
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I would consider that premeditated murder
This should be the charge to all of the filth that have been lying about effective, proven drugs like Ivermectin for the last year.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 9:58 pm to montjrtiger
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Because we take an oath to practice good medicine. We try to do the right thing. The likelihood a patient that has been on a vent for while giving him pills down a tube in the nose with low protein and intestinal swelling is very unlikely to be absorbed much less work. Can easily cause a pill ulcer that can lead to a perforation. Will do more harm than good. Once they have covid pneumonia or Ards, nothing helps except supportive care and time. Have used loads of remdesivir, olumiant,kevzara, steroids, etc. Bottomline, if old and obese- not good. Prevention is the main key. At our hospital, over 90% admitted unvaccinated and 97% on vent are unvaccinated. At present we have 2 on vents in their 20's, 2 in their 30's, and so on. Have no idea why some have made this such a political controversy. The ones that make it off the vent will likely not have normal lung function as well as damage to other organs.
Yet I can name you 80 year olds taken off the vent because of Ivermectin and a court ordering them to use it.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:02 pm to HabaneroBuck
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I am more in favor of nebulized food-grade H2O2 as a treatment
What's this, and how is it done?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:21 pm to montjrtiger
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remdesivir,
You suck as a doctor. If not a doctor then your hospital sucks.
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:30 pm to montjrtiger
quote:
Because we take an oath to practice good medicine. We try to do the right thing. The likelihood a patient that has been on a vent for while giving him pills down a tube in the nose with low protein and intestinal swelling is very unlikely to be absorbed much less work. Can easily cause a pill ulcer that can lead to a perforation. Will do more harm than good. Once they have covid pneumonia or Ards, nothing helps except supportive care and time. Have used loads of remdesivir, olumiant,kevzara, steroids, etc. Bottomline, if old and obese- not good. Prevention is the main key. At our hospital, over 90% admitted unvaccinated and 97% on vent are unvaccinated. At present we have 2 on vents in their 20's, 2 in their 30's, and so on. Have no idea why some have made this such a political controversy. The ones that make it off the vent will likely not have normal lung function as well as damage to other organs
Why would you shove an entire pill down an NG tube....? Unusual verbiage and method of administration.
And all these young, healthy folks on vents is super weird... What is your specialty..? Where are these patients? Which facility are all these young vented patients in?
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:32 pm to the808bass
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Lol. Sell that shite somewhere they’re buying it.
Agreed. All his good medicine got that patient nowhere. Maybe to the graveyard. This is why we have second opinions and even more, you fire MD's that don't get the job done. We laypeople hire you to do a job, plain and simple. If you can't or won't, we get someone that can. Pop goes the highly paid ego.
All you House MD types...just stop it. Enough. If your best efforts have not succeeded a faith healer likely exhibits more sense than many of you. There's no harm in trying ivermectin or anything else. I repeat, the patient is dying and YOU CAN'T STOP IT.
If you have no better idea, then stop being a stubborn arse and try ivermectin. The only thing you have to lose is a little face and you might gain everything.
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:39 pm to Jjdoc
If the guy dies after improving while on the 'horse medicine', only to have it taken away I hope the wife goes on a killing spree among the hospital administration
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 9/6/21 at 11:43 pm to narddogg81
Whoever is responsible for such a decision should face real consequences. For too long these people have played God and walked away to their parties and hermetically sealed lives while washing their hands like Pontius Pilate (judges too)
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:13 am to montjrtiger
Just stop it. You bastards have been insisting on trying the same old failed treatments for damn near 2 years now. It’s not working and it’s never gonna work. People with common sense have been telling you it’s time to try another approach but you clowns don’t wanna listen. You’re just going to keep putting people in the ground because your ego can’t accept the truth
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:42 am to Blizzard of Chizz
Damn straight.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 12:54 am to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:Great vaccine messaging!
You bastards have been insisting on trying the same old failed treatments for damn near 2 years now. It’s not working and it’s never gonna work. People with common sense have been telling you it’s time to try another approach but you clowns don’t wanna listen. You’re just going to keep putting people in the ground because your ego can’t accept the truth
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:07 am to montjrtiger
quote:You should have an idea though. Ivermectin access is being denied, not just in this case where it wouldn't make a difference, but rather in early cases where the alternative is basically "do nothing".
Have no idea why some have made this such a political controversy.
It is political because administrators, pharmacists, politicians, and journalists are doing everything in their power to remove ivermectin from off-label use. Non-physicians are determining scope of medical practice. That does not concern you?
In this case the result of their interference leaves people accessing veterinary supply stores to obtain medicine which should be readily available to them in human formulation, by prescription. That is inexcusable.
You honestly have no idea "why this such a controversy?"
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:09 am to NC_Tigah
Hyperbole. Regeneron is approved EUA for everyone with a BMI over 25 which is the vast majority of at risk covid patients.
Ivermectin scripts are being denied because doctors would rather write for a pill than go through the trouble of getting someone an infusion.
Ivermectin scripts are being denied because doctors would rather write for a pill than go through the trouble of getting someone an infusion.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 5:48 am to Tiguar
quote:Which is an example as to why pharmacists should stick to what they do well, and fill properly ordered prescriptions rather than playing doctor.
Regeneron is approved EUA for everyone with a BMI over 25 which is the vast majority of at risk covid patients.
Early intervention casirivimab/imdevimab (Regeneron) is not indicated as CV19 PrEP/PEP prophylaxis.
Further in CV19+ cases where it is indicated, while being quite helpful, it also mitigates natural immune response to CV19. Meaning recipients remain at significant risk for recontraction of CV19 as soon as the mAbs fade. All at a cost of a couple thousand dollars per infusion.
So no, not hyperbole.
Ivermectin vs casirivimab/imdevimab is not an "either-or" equation. Given what we know, ivermectin should not supplant any other prescriptive intervention. But there is also no scientifically rational basis to deny its use as an adjunct either.
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