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re: Hospital stops Ivermectin even after a drop from 100% Vent to 50%..Wife goes back to court

Posted on 9/6/21 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
2667 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 1:57 pm to
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Oster said Smith can be safely moved to a hospital where Wagshul has privileges if continued use of Ivermectin is desired.


It'll be interesting to see how administrators at the next hospital react.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:02 pm to
Go suck off Fauci.

You enjoy watching people die needlessly don't you.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:03 pm to
Why are we playing politics with people's lives?

Why aren't we holding China responsible?

We aren't we willing to try anything?
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7573 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:05 pm to
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Oster said Smith can be safely moved to a hospital where Wagshul has privileges if continued use of Ivermectin is desired

This could be done w/in hours to a hospital where Dr Wagshul has privileges IF the hospital has a bed available for his level of care.
Posted by CedarChest
South of Mejico
Member since Jun 2020
2829 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:05 pm to
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?

I'm not ok with you being a doctor.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56147 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:05 pm to
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?


If patients have the right to a do not resuscitate order which the doctor abides with and the patient dies, then why shouldn't a doctor have to abide by a "I want to try ivermectin" order in which a patient may possible live?
Posted by Bamadog75
Alabama
Member since Mar 2017
1755 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:15 pm to
Exactly, there in lies the scam. You test positive for covid from faulty test that are wrong more than right. You have mild symptoms, they put you in hospital, give you remdesivir your kidneys fail your lungs fill with water develop pneumonia they put you on the ventilator you lay there till you die. Hospital gets 50 thousand for the death you get a dead relative media get another statistic. Plandremic stays alive. Wake the frick up people!
Posted by fisherscatfan
Indianapolis
Member since Sep 2020
743 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:18 pm to
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?


You are an idiot. The judge did not prescribe.
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
2667 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:20 pm to
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If patients have the right to a do not resuscitate order which the doctor abides with and the patient dies, then why shouldn't a doctor have to abide by a "I want to try ivermectin" order in which a patient may possible live?


That reminds me.. what's the bounty on wuflu patients who die on a vent? $58k was the last number I heard.

Giving hospitals a monetary incentive to watch people die is heinous. Giving them cover with proscribed recommended treatments is icing on the Death Cake.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
33703 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:21 pm to
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100 percent. His vent setting has now dropped to 50 percent,


I'm assuming that's Fio2 settings.... % of O2 needed...

In medical terms talking about mechanical ventilation, that's some really vague numbers they're using...

There's so many other variables with it than just O2...
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12447 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:23 pm to
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This is a doctor who thinks his role is to be the gatekeeper for whether someone gets treatment.


That's like the definition of a doctor actually.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167573 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:24 pm to
the judge said no today.
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Judge Michael Oster, Jr., of Butler County’s Court of Common Pleas, heard arguments in the case Thursday and Friday before issuing his ruling on Monday morning.

“While this court is sympathetic to the Plaintiff and understands the idea of wanting to do anything to help her loved one, public policy should not and does not support allowing a physician to try ‘any’ type of treatment on human beings,” he wrote. “Rather, public policy supports the safe and effective development of medications and treatments.”
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“As a citizen, it would be easy to think about wanting to help someone in Jeff Smith’s condition, no matter the law,” Oster said. “As a judge, the present case invites allowing emotions to steer one towards judicial activism. However, our legal system must stay firmly rooted in proper legal interpretation of the law, not what individual judges think the law should be.”

The ruling comes as ivermectin continues to fly off the shelves across the country. The number of ivermectin prescriptions issued nationwide in the week ending Aug. 13 topped 88,000 — a whopping 24-fold increase from pre-pandemic levels, according to the CDC.

The stunning numbers are also associated with an increase of adverse effects and hospital visits stemming from ivermectin use.

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The drug is primarily used to treat or prevent parasites in large animals, like horses, sheep and cattle. The FDA does support the use of ivermectin tablets in humans, but only at “very specific doses” to treat some parasitic worms, according to the agency.

But Americans are not only using ivermectin for a disease it was not intended to treat, but many of them are self-medicating with the veterinary version of the drug, a dangerous decision that could lead to toxic effects, seizures, hallucinations, coma and death, according to the FDA.

“You are not a horse. You are not a cow,” the agency said in a tweet last month. “Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”

Mississippi hospital patient ingested livestock medication believed by some to treat COVID

Court documents show Jeffrey Smith tested positive for COVID-19 on July 9 and was hospitalized a week later. As his condition continued to decline, he was sedated, intubated and placed on a ventilator on Aug. 1.

His wife asked hospital officials to treat him with ivermectin, but they refused. She then went to Dr. Waghsul, a pulmonologist who defends using the drug as a COVID-19 treatment, and obtained a prescription from him.

But at last week’s court hearing, Waghsul was only able to say that the patient “seems to be” getting better after receiving the drug and said, “I honestly don’t know,” when asked if continued use of ivermectin would benefit him, Judge Oster said in his ruling.

In addition, Oster said, Jeffrey Smith could be “safely” transferred to another hospital where Wagshul has privileges and continue the treatment there if his family desires — without forcing West Chester to do so.

“The Defendant Hospital wants to follow what it believes are appropriate medical standards and make the husband get better using these protocols,” Oster said.

The judge also noted that all parties involved in the lawsuit want Jeffrey Smith to get better and that the only bad actor involved in this situation is the virus.

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This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:26 pm
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
6724 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:26 pm to
My locals doctors and myself hope that we don't find ourselves in this situation.
Posted by dafif
Member since Jan 2019
8440 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:31 pm to
The judge is full of shite

What, no mention of lupus treatment…. Over 1.2 million Americans on ivermectin

I would bring him home with a nurse and dr on vent and ivermectin and watch him recover and then sue the hospital

Oh… the judge is an arse
This post was edited on 9/6/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:32 pm to
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?


From:
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onmymedicalgrind


You will not be a good doctor. Your paradigm has petrified by your cult leaders.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
8521 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:33 pm to
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My locals doctors and myself hope that we don't find ourselves in this situation.


In the event that you do, explore the patients preferred treatment as long as it is within the legal bounds of the law. They have the right to try and whether it works or not, Ivermectin is a small price to pay to satisfy the patient.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18765 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:42 pm to
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Someone is trying very hard to keep Ivermectin from being used for COVID treatment. I don't know whether it works or not, although there lot of anecdotal evidence that it does; however, I haven't seen any evidence of it actually causing harm.


My wife was in her second day of fever. Took ivermectin and zinc in the evening and fever broke that night at 2am.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 2:48 pm to
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So y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?


A doctor prescribed it...
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61452 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 3:07 pm to
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y’all are OK with judges being doctors now too?
I am as skeptical of the horse cream as anyone. However if a patient is spiraling and a Dr. will not collaborate with others, especially those that have used the horse cream clinically, someone has to step in.

Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 9/6/21 at 3:17 pm to
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Go suck off Fauci.

You enjoy watching people die needlessly don't you.



He's probably dancing a jog right now.
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