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re: Hell is real. Non-Christians and unbelievers I would love your thoughts. I love you guys.

Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:52 am to
Posted by The Cool No 9
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:52 am to
I watched it a couple years ago. Wrote down all the scriptures he cited. Powerful, it reinforced and made me grateful for the lord for saving me like 100x than I felt before.
Posted by Damone
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:55 am to
I feel sorry for all of the poor souls born in rural India and China, through no fault of their own they will be sentenced to an eternity in hell by the Good and Loving Lord due to geographic and cultural happenstance.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:00 am to
The number of people who have ever lived who never even heard the word Christianity is well into the billions
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
19467 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:09 am to
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Meh. Condemning another person to hell seems pretty un-Christian to me. Your Jesus may vary.

The Lord Jesus is the judge that will offer eternal life or damnation to hell, so, the Christ does this. It's not "un-Christian"; its truth. He offers salvation to everyone. The alternate is hell, which He doesn't want for anyone, yet it is the alternative to His offer of heaven.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3892 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:28 am to
Not sure I can get on board any longer with a vision of god as an old angry dude who requires vicious blood sacrifice to satisfy his anger and who will subject you to eternal pain and suffering if you have impure thoughts or otherwise disagree.

Roman empire / dogma hijacked Jesus message of the creation being good, priestly intercession no longer needed, the kingdom of heaven being within, we're bound up in the nature of god and always will be etc.

Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62081 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:47 am to
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I feel sorry for all of the poor souls born in rural India and China, through no fault of their own they will be sentenced to an eternity in hell by the Good and Loving Lord due to geographic and cultural happenstance.


You are making a judgment based on a limited human understanding.
God is all-knowing and knew before the foundations of the world who would, or wouldn’t choose him if given the chance.
Posted by civilag08
Member since Feb 2011
848 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:49 am to
A lot of people seem to equate love as being nice or a feeling. Love is a choice. Many good fathers discipline their children in love, many bad fathers spoil their children. Some are okay if the children don't respect the fathers word. Many have heard the term tough love as a teacher especially in situations to learn right from wrong.

God values His word and going against His word is a choice, He allows you to separate yourself from Him but also offers a redemption through Him. No one had to eat the fruit in the garden, but a choice was made, just as God allowed his creation of the serpent to make his choice, yet a redemption plan was put in motion, starting with the atoning blood of the animals. God used animal skin to cover them, which ultimately points to how Jesus's blood was the ultimate sacrifice (that of God Himself), which was much greater than of bulls and goats, or birds. He could have made everyone perfect robots, without a will of choice, but there is no love without choice. His choice to be the sacrifice to bring you back into His plan within His word is also His love for you. He is not going to force anyone to make the decision to be with Him, rather you make the choice, because you can't really give Him much other than your choice.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:56 am to
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Trust me. Heaven is real. Hell is real also. That statement comes from decades of ministry on God's good earth.


I've never in my life had a problem with anybody believing anything or putting faith and time into anything. But these kind of definitive statements about something so completely unverifiable is what people have a problem with and what gets these heated debates going. You can simply say "I believe this based on what I've studied", but saying "it's real trust me because I've done a lot of ministry" is, with all due respect, just not to be taken seriously. It's not one bit different than saying vampires are absolutely real, trust me because I've read Bram Stoker's Dracula for decades
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9767 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:11 am to
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Historians also told us a few hundred thousand Native Americans scattered across NA and SA hunted Wooly Mammoths to extinction. Which happens to be patently false.

Point is, history is what people want it to be, not what actually happened. You must leave the door open to "being wrong" to be intellectually honest.

Not saying Jesus was a myth, but I'm open to the possibility if proven otherwise.


Historiography

quote:

Historiography is the study of the methods of historians in developing history as an academic discipline, and by extension is any body of historical work on a particular subject. The historiography of a specific topic covers how historians have studied that topic using particular sources, techniques, and theoretical approaches.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:21 am to
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Mo Jeaux


Very double standard of you.

Jesus mentions Hell more times than he mentions Heaven.

Roger is one of the lowest pieces of scum on this site. He needs to hear the truth.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:23 am to
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Roger Klarvin


The hateful bigot is at it again.

We get it. You are a Christianphobe.

And your special place in Hell still awaits you.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:29 am to
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I've never in my life had a problem with anybody believing anything or putting faith and time into anything. But these kind of definitive statements about something so completely unverifiable is what people have a problem with and what gets these heated debates going. You can simply say "I believe this based on what I've studied", but saying "it's real trust me because I've done a lot of ministry" is, with all due respect, just not to be taken seriously. It's not one bit different than saying vampires are absolutely real, trust me because I've read Bram Stoker's Dracula for decades
Are you willing to take that stance with origins? Instead of "we evolved from single-celled organisms", are you willing to say "I believe this based on what I've studied"?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63801 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:35 am to
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The Lord Jesus is the judge that will offer eternal life or damnation to hell, so, the Christ does this. It's not "un-Christian"; its truth. He offers salvation to everyone. The alternate is hell, which He doesn't want for anyone, yet it is the alternative to His offer of heaven.



Right. So in condemning others, the poster (and maybe you, if you do the same) are usurping Jesus' role. Sounds sacrilegious to me.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12292 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:35 am to
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Are you willing to take that stance with origins? Instead of "we evolved from single-celled organisms", are you willing to say "I believe this based on what I've studied"?


I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if I believe our origin is from single celled organisms? If so I have seen scientific and feasible evidence that is true, so yes I believe that based on what I have read
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
4242 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:35 am to
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I posted a video on Heaven too. Its not what you think according to the Bible.


It's not what you think according to the Bible as interpreted by the preacher in your video.

Most every religion interprets aspects of the bible differently.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63801 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:40 am to
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Jesus mentions Hell more times than he mentions Heaven.


Does he say that it's your place to determine who is going there?

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Roger is one of the lowest pieces of scum on this site. He needs to hear the truth.


Not to white knight for Roger (he can be obnoxious at times, although can't we all?), but that's a little extreme don't you think?
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
14497 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:49 am to
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If there is a god, they are either not all powerful or at best indifferent to suffering and most likely sadistic.



That’s not how this works. God created a world that had no suffering, but he had to give humans free will or else they would just be robots. The first humans brought sin into the world, so now we are suffering the consequences of our own actions. Be thankful that God sent his only son to die as a blood atonement for your sins, if you just accept his free gift. If you reject the free gift then you will go to hell and that’s 100% your choice. He’s giving you an opportunity to live in paradise for all of eternity. If all you care about is this short temporary life, then I feel so sorry for you. The next life is forever. Choose your eternal dwelling.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 11:50 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:50 am to
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Trust me. Heaven is real. Hell is real also. That statement comes from decades of ministry on God's good earth. As a young man decades ago I choose to pursue truth. I wanted truth. I found truth at the Foot of the Cross. My pursuit of truth led me to many many remarkable moments of clarity. But most of all it brought me to come to know a God who loves me so much He descended from His Throne and died for me.

Ultimately this exchange between Pontius Pilate and Jesus Christ (aka God) captures the struggle between truth and falsehood, between good and evil, between God and satan.

"And Jesus answered, It is thy own lips that have called me a king. What I was born for, what I came into the world for, is to bear witness of the truth. Whoever belongs to the truth, listens to my voice. Pilate said to him, What is truth? - John 18: 37-38

Each of us must decide on his own. Truth or falsehood?

Please make your choice NOW! Pursue truth.


What do you do for a living?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39873 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 11:51 am to
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That’s not how this works. God created a world that had no suffering, but he had to give humans free will or else they would just be robots. The first humans brought sin into the world, so now we are suffering the consequences of our own actions. Be thankful that God sent his only son to die as a blood atonement for your sins, if you just accept his free gift. If you reject the free gift then you will go to hell and that’s 100% your choice. He’s giving you an opportunity to live in paradise for all of eternity. If all you care about is this short temporary life, then I feel so sorry for you. The next life is forever. Choose your eternal dwelling.
And yet you think Scientology is weird, no doubt.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18639 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:03 pm to
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Jesus mentions Hell more times than he mentions Heaven.

Jesus mentioned Hades and Gehenna. He never spoke of Hell. Hell is a fabrication. The word Hell is from an old English word helan, which means unseen. Bibles mistranslates words often.
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