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re: Hell is real. Non-Christians and unbelievers I would love your thoughts. I love you guys.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:06 pm to FlexDawg
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:06 pm to FlexDawg
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That’s not how this works. God created a world that had no suffering, but he had to give humans free will or else they would just be robots. The first humans brought sin into the world, so now we are suffering the consequences of our own actions. Be thankful that God sent his only son to die as a blood atonement for your sins, if you just accept his free gift. If you reject the free gift then you will go to hell and that’s 100% your choice. He’s giving you an opportunity to live in paradise for all of eternity. If all you care about is this short temporary life, then I feel so sorry for you. The next life is forever. Choose your eternal dwelling.
The coexistence of genuine free will and an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being in the same reality is a logical paradox. The two concepts are, by definition, mutually exclusive.
If the God orthodox christianity believes in exists, then free will cannot. Only the illusion of free will can exist in that reality. If free will does truly exist, God either doesn't exist or is a lesser being than described in the monotheistic belief systems.
The attempts to take the blame from God as described in christianity by citing free will simply won't fly. If God is truly what you claim him to be, he alone is responsible for any action ever taken by his creation.
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:06 pm to Enadious
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Jesus mentioned Hades and Gehenna. He never spoke of Hell. Hell is a fabrication. The word Hell is from an old English word helan, which means unseen.
It’s not a fabrication, and a simple Bible concordance can tell a person who is studying the Bible, what Hell means in each verse.
Sure, sometimes it simply means grave or abode of the dead, but other times, it means a real place of torment.
Matthew 18:8
And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
It’s hard to misinterpret this.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:07 pm to WestCoastAg
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When I die, frick it, I wanna go to hell
WestCoastAg dies, and suddenly he finds himself in a place full of goodie- goodies dressed in white and starts screaming, “I didn’t want to come here, I wanted to go to hell.” An invisible voice calls out, “Son, you are in Hell, this is your Hell, enjoy your eternity.”
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:10 pm to BestBanker
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The Lord Jesus is the judge that will offer eternal life or damnation to hell, so, the Christ does this. It's not "un-Christian"; its truth. He offers salvation to everyone. The alternate is hell, which He doesn't want for anyone, yet it is the alternative to His offer of heaven.
But again, you don't ACTUALLY believe this. At least not with the same conviction that you believe in say, gravity or the laws of motion. Your actions, and the actions of virtually every other christian alive, prove you don't.
People who genuinely believe such things about heaven, and especially hell, don't behave as you behave. They don't hold secular jobs, take vacations, watch TV, attend sporting events, etc.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:14 pm to Enadious
would make an interesting word study, because fire/brazen/broznze in Scripture seems often to indicate judgement of some sort having both a consuming and purifying effect fairly consistently.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The number of people who have ever lived who never even heard the word Christianity is well into the billions
So this will be your stumbling block? A question you have no answer to? How can you know the mind of God?
Matthew 11:25-27
25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:15 pm to Revelator
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I don’t fear death at all. If it is as you say, and I’m simply dead an oblivious to my surroundings and cease to exist once I die, I’ll never know it.
If you are wrong, and there is a Hell and afterlife, you’ll know it.
So, only one of us should have fear.
The ol Pascal's wager. Is it 2011 again?
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:18 pm to civilag08
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would make an interesting word study, because fire/brazen/broznze in Scripture seems often to indicate judgement of some sort having both a consuming and purifying effect fairly consistently.
A simply Bible concordance, built in to most phone Bible apps will tell you the Hebrew or Greek meaning of each word in the Bible.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
“People who genuinely believe such things about heaven, and especially hell, don't behave as you behave. They don't hold secular jobs, take vacations, watch TV, attend sporting events, etc.”
The only difference between a saved person and an unsaved person is that one has been forgiven and one has not.
As incredible as it may seem, all you have to do to receive God’s forgiveness is to accept it. Everyone gets the offer, not all accept it.
The only difference between a saved person and an unsaved person is that one has been forgiven and one has not.
As incredible as it may seem, all you have to do to receive God’s forgiveness is to accept it. Everyone gets the offer, not all accept it.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:19 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The coexistence of genuine free will and an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent being in the same reality is a logical paradox. The two concepts are, by definition, mutually exclusiv
I've heard it said that He wants to demonstrate His immeasurable love for us through His plan of redemption (for our bad choices) yet desires our love for Him.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:19 pm to jclem11
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The ol Pascal's wager. Is it 2011 again?
Sure Pascal’s Wager is cliche, but it still applies.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:20 pm to Revelator
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A simply Bible concordance, built in to most phone Bible apps will tell you the Hebrew or Greek meaning of each word in the Bible.
Yeah, I know, I use Blue Letter Bible for a lot of it. I enjoy this stuff.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:21 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:22 pm to Revelator
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Sure Pascal’s Wager is cliche, but it still applies.
But it's not a binary choice of god as outlined in the bible or no god.
The whole argument for Pascal's wager falls apart quickly.
Do you unironically think Pascal's wager is valid and compelling proof?
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:23 pm to Roger Klarvin
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People who genuinely believe such things about heaven, and especially hell, don't behave as you behave. They don't hold secular jobs, take vacations, watch TV, attend sporting events, etc.
Even Jesus fished, attended weddings, relaxed. Is it your contention that if a person believes what the Bible says about Hell, he needs to abandon every aspect of life not directly related to saving souls from going there?
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:25 pm to civilag08
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Yeah, I know, I use Blue Letter Bible for a lot of it. I enjoy this stuff.
I use the same Bible app. I love it so much, I even donated money to them.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:26 pm to jclem11
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But it's not a binary choice of god as outlined in the bible or no god.
According to the Bible, it is.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:28 pm to Damone
quote:The primary problem with your statement was this phrase: "through no fault of their own"
I feel sorry for all of the poor souls born in rural India and China, through no fault of their own they will be sentenced to an eternity in hell by the Good and Loving Lord due to geographic and cultural happenstance.
According to the Bible, everyone sins and falls short of God's glory. All are guilty and all are deserving of eternal death due to our rebellion against our creator.
God has never sentenced a good person to hell because no one is good according to God's standard.
So those poor souls born in rural India and China (and everywhere else throughout history) are just as deserving of hell as those who have had the benefit of hearing the gospel (yet have rejected it) for their rebellion against their creator.
God is loving in that He saved people who don't deserve it. It's not about those who are damned but those who are saved, because God is under no obligation to save anyone at all, yet He chose to save many of His enemies for Himself, making us His sons through adoption.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:30 pm to Corso
quote:I thought I was clear, but let me try again.
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you asking if I believe our origin is from single celled organisms? If so I have seen scientific and feasible evidence that is true, so yes I believe that based on what I have read
If it's somehow wrong or incorrect to talk about a belief as an absolute truth, then the same standard should be applied to historical science, where even with evidence, what is known for certain is few and far between. Much of what we "know" is essentially an educated guess based on interpretation of the evidence we have.
Posted on 4/28/21 at 12:31 pm to Revelator
I don't know of any other book that connects the history and choices of generations over thousands of years that create predicted consequences in later books of the bible that have then have more choice consequences leading to Christ at the Cross and resurrection, and even later into more mysterious eschatology intertwined in stories that are connected and even outside of our time domain.
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