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re: Hell is real. Non-Christians and unbelievers I would love your thoughts. I love you guys.

Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:05 am to
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:05 am to
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Except scholars pretty universally accept that the apostle Peter did not actually write the New Testament epistles attributed to him.


Scholars huh. You obviously will believe what you want. You asked for proof, I gave you biblical proof, and you move the goalpost.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 8:07 am
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63800 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:06 am to
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Says a non believer?

That's heights of hypocrisy?


Meh. Condemning another person to hell seems pretty un-Christian to me. Your Jesus may vary.
Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:07 am to
Some of the arguments against Peter writing it are simply because “it could have been Paul”.

Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:11 am to
Do I think this guy was pulled to hell by God for 23 minutes......No

Do I think this guy spent months researching everything the Bible said about hell and then had a nightmare or even sleep paralysis event........Yes


However, Hell is real and it is terrible and I don’t want anyone to go.

Jesus said “I am the way, truth, and the life no one comes to the Father except through me.”

This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 8:12 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:13 am to
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Do I think this guy was pulled to hell by God for 23 minutes......No Do I think this guy spent months researching everything the Bible said about hell and then had a nightmare or even sleep paralysis event........Yes However, Hell is real and it is terrible and I don’t want anyone to go.


Agreed
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17429 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:21 am to
Threads like this are like a flame to a moth for hateful people and the very first reply is the proof of that
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
4361 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:27 am to
I dunno why y'all are so afraid of re-entering the empty void you were in for the billions of years before you were born.

That's the most snowflakey shite.


You aren't special. Your presence here is as significant as microscopic dust in a desert. There is nothing waiting for you. Your life is a meaningless result of a random chain of events in the universe and when you die you will cease to exist. No big deal. Nothing to freak out about.
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
22272 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:31 am to
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Threads like this are like a flame to a moth for hateful people and the very first reply is the proof of that


Agreed.

Then there are the same type replies to anyone who questions the validity of religious "certainty" , and everything falls right back into balance.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39715 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:36 am to
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I dunno why y'all are so afraid of re-entering the empty void you were in for the billions of years before you were born.



"Afraid"? Not an ounce of fear here; more a ton of Love (Appreciation) for Life, and the hope for eternal growth in said Love, as opposed to Nothing. I do realize that this life - for some people - is 'hell', by relative degree. This ain't Egalitarian Marxism.

"But by the grace of God, there go I". Jesus, Arbiter of Mercy. For some that is; I have zero problem with people shaping their own Reality. Though interaction re polar First Principle is problematic.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:39 am to
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I dunno why y'all are so afraid of re-entering the empty void you were in for the billions of years before you were born.


I don’t fear death at all. If it is as you say, and I’m simply dead an oblivious to my surroundings and cease to exist once I die, I’ll never know it.
If you are wrong, and there is a Hell and afterlife, you’ll know it.
So, only one of us should have fear.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:41 am to
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

After death, there is an order of resurrection: Christ, the firstfruits. Next, those in Christ at his coming.

The rest are dead. The dead souls are in Hades. In fact:
Revelation 20:14, KJV: "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Those not in Christ are dead--asleep--not being tortured for eternity.

But, there comes a time when:
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Death is destroyed. Then: 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God becomes all in all. Not all in some. There is no eternal 'Hell.'
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
17429 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:41 am to
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Nothing to freak out about.





To be honest the only person who seems to be freaking out is you. Nice melt though
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 8:46 am to
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Those not in Christ are dead--asleep--not being tortured for eternity. But, there comes a time when: 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


The dead without Christ are in Hades, the abode of the dead, like in the story of the rich man and Lazarus. They will remain there until the Great White Throne Judgment, where they will be judged by their works stored in the books. Once their judgment is officially pronounced, they will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, with the devil and his angles.

Revelation 20:11
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.
13 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done.
14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 8:49 am
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:01 am to
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Except scholars pretty universally accept that the apostle Peter did not actually write the New Testament epistles attributed to him.



That is a bit of a stretch. Scholars until the 19th century never doubted Peter's authorship, then based on certain criticisms a school of historians developed that did question the Peter's authorship.

To me these criticisms do not overcome the evidence supporting Peter as the writer. First and foremost, his two epistles are widely known and quoted by first and second century Fathers of the Church. Polycarp, Papias, Ireneus and the Didiache all reference the epistles and view them as authoritative. Further none of the fathers of the first four centuries, who were zealous in their quest to stamp out heretical or apocryphal writings objected to Peter's authorship as they did say the gospel or the apocalypse attributed to him.

Secondly, Peter names himself as the writer in the epistle. The same historians who question the authorship of the gospels because the writers do not name themselves, question Peter because he did.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 9:10 am
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
18639 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:01 am to
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14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.


Yep, and when the second death is defeated, Christ gives the throne back to the Father, and all of the dead, with those resurrected, will become the: God all in all. Not all in some.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8689 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:03 am to
Trust me. Heaven is real. Hell is real also. That statement comes from decades of ministry on God's good earth. As a young man decades ago I choose to pursue truth. I wanted truth. I found truth at the Foot of the Cross. My pursuit of truth led me to many many remarkable moments of clarity. But most of all it brought me to come to know a God who loves me so much He descended from His Throne and died for me.

Ultimately this exchange between Pontius Pilate and Jesus Christ (aka God) captures the struggle between truth and falsehood, between good and evil, between God and satan.

"And Jesus answered, It is thy own lips that have called me a king. What I was born for, what I came into the world for, is to bear witness of the truth. Whoever belongs to the truth, listens to my voice. Pilate said to him, What is truth? - John 18: 37-38

Each of us must decide on his own. Truth or falsehood?

Please make your choice NOW! Pursue truth.

Tu es Christus, Filius Dei
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 9:13 am
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:05 am to
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Mexican crime cartels, never seeing the U.S. border so inviting as it has been under President Joe Biden, are openly driving to the border with tractor trailers full of illegal immigrants and drugs to unload their cargo, according to a new report. For the first time, 18-wheelers are stopping at the Rio Grande to dump their cargo in the poorly defended Big Bend areas of West Texas as cartels shop for new crossing points. “It’s never been this busy,” one agent told Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies. He has been on the border charting the impact of Biden’s border-opening policies, dubbed “la invitacion” by illegal immigrants. Bensman wrote in a new report, “Eighteen-wheeler tractor-trailer rigs and trucks of all sizes now pull right up to the river in unending succession to unload people and drug cargo in broad daylight along the long empty stretches of riverside territory. Police chases of immigrant transport vehicles are now commonplace in towns further inland for the first time. And border patrol agents, largely unreinforced despite new circumstances, are chasing groups through the desert day and night, losing most and strained beyond capacity to impact what’s happening, they say." A key point in Bensman’s new report is how cartels are shopping for new opening points, cleared as the Border Patrol shifts agents to areas overwhelmed by illegal immigrants by Biden’s open borders move. “There’s no one watching,” a smuggler told Bensman, of the rugged West Texas border.



You are reading way more into the” God will be all in all” statement, than what is supported by scripture.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
62080 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:07 am to
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Secondly, the Peter names himself as the writer in the epistle. The same historians who question the authorship of the bibles because the writers do not name themselves, question Peter because he did.


These,” scholars” do have a way of creating explanations to reach their narratives.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12462 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:24 am to
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biblical proof
oxymoron
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 9:32 am to
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However, Hell is real and it is terrible and I don’t want anyone to go.


And yet your actions say otherwise

Almost nobody ACTUALLY believes in hell, at least not in the same way they believe in the objective reality around them. It’s similar to how we can know almost nobody ACTUALLY believes aborting a 10 week old fetus is equivalent to stabbing a three year old to death. The actions of those endorsing this view prove they lack conviction on the matter.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 9:33 am
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