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re: Hegseth Plainly Explains To The NATO Members That Their Gravy Train Is Over
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:35 pm to idlewatcher
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:35 pm to idlewatcher
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Handsome Pete just dropped his nuts on Europe.
The carrot of pay your contribution or we drop our contributions is genius.
He needed to say more than that. Like, "If you wouldn't even let us use your airspace in the Iran fighting, much less participate, we want no part of your Ukraine war."
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Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:35 pm to LuckyTiger
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They’re counting on President Newsom to reverse every Trump move.
Well in that hypothetical scenario they arent wrong because the GOPe obstructionist congress has prevented the codification of Trumps agenda into law at every single turn.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 12:44 pm to lake chuck fan
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lazy, weak, and sluggards
What's thoughtful, sensitive about that. I don't believe the UK, Netherlands, France, Germany etc started this crazy war. They deserve more respect than crass namecalling from America's Secretary of WAR.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:01 pm to lake chuck fan
Mark Rutte seems like the kind of guy that would be fun to have beers with.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:26 pm to lake chuck fan
We are soooo blessed to finally have a true man at the helm. LEADERSHIP. Kicking arse & taking names. This B/S of carrying the world's weight should have ended thirty or forty years ago. Biden, Obama, Bush & Bush were empty paper bags. They were more interested in big business instead of WE THE PEOPLE. 
Screw the Europeans. Bring the bulk of those U.S. servicemen and those defense dollars home and support U.S. bases on U.S. soil.
Screw the Europeans. Bring the bulk of those U.S. servicemen and those defense dollars home and support U.S. bases on U.S. soil.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 1:31 pm to tarzana
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What's thoughtful, sensitive about that. I don't believe the UK, Netherlands, France, Germany etc started this crazy war. They deserve more respect than crass namecalling from America's Secretary of WAR.
You talking about Ukraine? No Obama started it but they’re the reason it won’t stop as Zelenskyy is their spokesperson.
And I don’t give a shite about being “thoughtful, sensitive” this is the real world. That has no place here when we fund their socialist countries via paying for their defense among other things
Posted on 6/19/26 at 3:30 pm to wdhalgren
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I don't know why you're directing this at me
Pretty obvious why I directed it at you. You stated that we should leave and give them the finger.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:03 pm to Penrod
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Pretty obvious why I directed it at you. You stated that we should leave and give them the finger.
Yes I did, because they haven't acted like reliable allies, or allies at all. I don't control Europe, so your statement that we need them "as reliable allies" is misdirected.
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:04 pm to wdhalgren
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Yes I did, because they haven't acted like responsible allies, or allies at all.
You’re right. And we are best served by forcing them to grow up and be reliable allies.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:22 pm to Penrod
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You’re right. And we are best served by forcing them to grow up and be reliable allies.
They've had a long window of opportunity to keep their own military spending in line with NATO goals, and declined. They could've joined the US in the effort to bring Iran to heel, but declined. Spain, Italy, and France could've allowed US overflights, which would've cost them nothing, but they said no. They could support Trump's efforts in the UN, try to build a coalition and show solidarity against Iran/China/Russia, but Macron decided he'd take another stand against the administration. They run massive trade surpluses with the US and become incensed at any suggestion of repairing that imbalance via regulatory change or tariffs. They bully US technology companies to adhere to their increasingly stringent regulations against free speech, mainly speech that disagrees with their far left orthodoxy.
In other words, it's a one way alliance and has been for many years. Both their rhetoric and their actions are distinctly anti-American. Their news media coverage is anti-American and has been so since long before Trump. IMO, they have no intention of acting like true allies.
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:27 pm to atlgamecockman
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Nearly 160 sick with flu at US air force base after Hegseth ends mandatory vaccines
What were the numbers like in past flu seasons with the mandates?
Additionally, the flu has been with humanity for ages. It has killed. It will continue to be with us and kill.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:35 pm to wdhalgren
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Their news media coverage is anti-American and has been so since long before Trump. IMO, they have no intention of acting like true allies.
In my opinion this is our fault. We spoiled them like children. Now we are giving them the tough love. It will improve them.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:39 pm to wdhalgren
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He needed to say more than that. Like, "If you wouldn't even let us use your airspace in the Iran fighting, much less participate, we want no part of your Ukraine war."
Ukraine was the whole second part of that video saying we’re keeping them afloat
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:50 pm to wdhalgren
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He needed to say more than that. Like, "If you wouldn't even let us use your airspace in the Iran fighting, much less participate, we want no part of your Ukraine war."
Thats the obvious message from Trump’s team. It began with the release of Trumps National Defense Strategy.
Europe understands the message.. They are either going to increase their own defense output or pay the cost.
Trump has been overly considerate of NATO/Europe. Rather than withdrawing from NATO (which I think we should) he's
warned them.... going forward, the military welfare from the US is over.
Personally, I dont trust those globalist fricks and believe they will agitate Russia in hopes of some attack and draw the US into it using Article 5.
If it happens, I hope Trump doesn’t honor it.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 4:54 pm to tilco
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we would redirect that spending to directly benefit bolstering our military instead of other countries.
So the argument is we're giving money to other countries' militaries?
I thought we were just spending more on our own so they didn't have to.
From OP:
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Hegseth highlights the new standard of 5% of GDP for defense spending. He announces that future U.S. dues will be contingent on other countries meeting their defense targets, framing NATO as a "two-way street."
The point is we spend so much on or own so other NATO countries don't have to, and they take the savings and spend it domestically. If they were to spend properly on their own defense, then we should, logically, spend less on our own.
I need a link about this other argument.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 5:32 pm to Harvey Vortac
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I forgot to mention that the supplies were routinely mishandled (delivered improperly making them useless) and often delivered late.
Flu vaccine had no effect on flu cases, may have made them worse actually. Nice try tho.
Posted on 6/19/26 at 5:33 pm to Harvey Vortac
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The Military historically administered flu shots in the fall, not spring and summer.
The military hasn't been a major provider of flu shots in years either. Usually contracted out to Walgreens and other providers, we would print off a voucher to take in for any required vaccine. Never was 100% compliance with flu shots either, think 60% - 70% was what we usually got up in the 1st quarter of each FY, lots of people were waivered or simply didn't get them as it didn't make you MRC Red.
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 6/24/26 at 11:16 am to atlgamecockman
Military services again requiring recruits to get flu shots as Air Force outbreak grows
Ohhh would you look at that? This executive branch is hellbent on learning life's hardest lessons over and over again.
Hegseth knows the vaccine works, but it's easy to impress stupid people by ending the vaccine mandate.
Ohhh would you look at that? This executive branch is hellbent on learning life's hardest lessons over and over again.
Hegseth knows the vaccine works, but it's easy to impress stupid people by ending the vaccine mandate.
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