re: Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War

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Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War

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So frickin' what?!?

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You know the game the media plays. If Haley ends up somehow building enough support to be a challenger for the White House (not just the GOP primary), this will eventually be played as "Republicans hate black people so much they try to downplay that slavery ever existed" or some similar tripe.

So instead of having debates about economics, border policy, involvement in foreign wars, etc. we will get snarky-assed questions about "do you believe slavery existed in the US" because of such narratives.

Democrats can get away with not answering pointed questions (because the questioner will rarely press them), Republicans don't.

It was about slavery in a way but not for the reason the North would like to claim. They didn’t do it because they cared about slaves, they did it because the South had free labor and they didn’t! Free labor in the form of slavery allowed for much more rapid western expansion by the South and the North couldn’t allow that to happen because they would have lost power so the answer to no different than the answer is today. Start a war to prevent losing control and power. Free the slaves and make yourself look like the good guy. They never did anything for the slaves once they freed them and it actually hurt the blacks people of the time. If they would have given them
Land to farm then they would have been able to pull themselves up by their boot straps. Imagine if you lost your job today as well as every other family member and friend you had. What would be your answer? There would be no answer, you would have to rob cheat and steal to survive.

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The mental gymnastics on this topic by this board has always been worthy of a gold medal.

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The civil war wasnt fought over just slavery.

This isnt that hard. Now the mental gymnastics you guys do when defining a woman or democracy, that's something to behold.

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They said she was "too intellectual" for the question and was "very brave" to take down confederate flags

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She's right, you know. Slavery was the justification-- not the cause.

Haley did well, even though she's being publicly lambasted this morning.

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They poured their guts out (literally) to fight a tyrannical and oppressing government

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Thats what the rich plantation owners who ran the South would say.

Johny Reb fought cause he didn't want to see 4 million imported pissed off slaves suddenly let loose across his countryside. Who would. Most northerners felt the same.

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So instead of having debates about economics, border policy, involvement in foreign wars, etc

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No one wants to watch her debate any of this.

I'm going to sit here and wait for trump to swipe at Nikki.

He will write that the Civil War was about slavery and all the states rights people here will be parroting trump.

Slavery was not THE cause of the Civil War.

It was A cause. A very important cause, but not the cause!

The South was originally the most powerful political region in the nation. From 1789-1825 the South (Virginia) provided presidents for 32 of the first 36 years.

Southern political power declined steadily thereafter. With it was tariffs, states rights, and the expansion of slavery west.

By 1860 the South had won the slavery issue! The North East and Midwest responded with the Republican Party. This was the first regional party and anti-South.

With Republican victory in 1860 the handwriting was on the wall, however Lincoln tried to assure the South that slavery would not be infringed. In his inaugural speech, Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment to constitutionally guarantee Congress would not interfere with slavery in the states where it currently existed. But their main worry was loss of political and economic power to a party that would not respect their state sovereignty.

South Caroline succeeded on December 24, 1860.

Fort Sumpter was fired upon April 12, 1861.

Lincoln calls for 75,000 volunteers for three months, including 3,500 Virginians to restore Federal property taken in the South by force.

1/3 of Virginia was secessionist, 1/3 was staunchly Union, and 1/3 was Unionist as long as the Union wouldn’t force the Confederacy back in the union. The call for 75,000 flipped Virginia’s Unionist outlook. She succeeded April 17, 1861.

On January 1, 1863, Lincoln issued the final Emancipation Proclamation. It only affected slaves in the Confederacy, and was probably an unconstitutional executive order.

The 14th Amendment was adopted July 9, 1868 officially and constitutionally ending all effects of slavery.

Slavery was the linkage of all the issues. It allowed commodity agriculture like cotton, tobacco, sugar etc. It was the key economic driver of Southern imports and exports. This caused South to be the main contributor to federal revenue. They had the negative consequences of protective tariffs while the North reaped the benefits. And Northern political power would limit the expansion of the Southern slave based economy. This assured that the federal government would overwhelm states rights and lead to today’s strong federal presence in the lives of all Americans.