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re: Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:55 am to rmnldr
Posted on 12/28/23 at 11:55 am to rmnldr
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State rights To own slaves.
Wrong. Only a very small percentage of wealthy landowners owned slaves yet the war was overwhelmingly supported by southern citizens.
It was many economical issues. Slavery was just a part of this equation
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:16 pm to rmnldr
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Therefore the root cause of the civil war is slavery
In order for your statement to be true, you are tying the war to secession.
Secession was brewing long before leaving the Union.
Just look at nullification in SC. Jackson got approval to call up troops and prepare to take military action if SC didn't bend to the FedGov's rules.
If the South seceded over tariffs and as part freed the slaves, do you think Lincoln would not have waged a war to reunite the States? You think he would have just said "well, they left because tariffs were just too damn high!" Now they can go do whatever they please.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:16 pm to Bayou
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AND slaves were still owned in Northern states AFTER that war!
Additionally, there were plenty of free blacks in the south that supported the confederacy.
The narrative that it was all about slavery is a relatively recent creation designed to further divide the races. It is a cute narrative that the liberals use to rewrite history in order to justify the tear down of American history, statues, institutions, etc. the ultimate goal is to tear down the Constitution.
Slavery was and is abhorrent.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:22 pm to SUJagsfan
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States rights to do what exactly?
To tamp down inflation on cotton by ensuring source of inexpensive labor?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
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Wrong. Only a very small percentage of wealthy landowners owned slaves yet the war was overwhelmingly supported by southern citizens.
It was many economical issues. Slavery was just a part of this equation
Okay but it all circles around back to slavery. And that was the stated reason why they seceded. I agree with every point you make, by the way.
No one in the south whether they owned slaves or not wanted the slaves to become free men overnight. The reason the emancipation proclamation was done was to hopefully incite the slaves to turn against the population and raise hell which would’ve forced CSA forces to divert resources away from fighting the union.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:29 pm to Furious
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The narrative that it was all about slavery is a relatively recent creation designed to further divide the races.
I don’t understand what people don’t get about my view at least. I’m not saying most of the things that people are accusing me of saying in this thread and then conceding that I’m correct about slavery being the root cause for secession which is why the war was fought.
The whole point of the thread was to show how Nikki is a hypocrite bitch who is going to be slayed in the media for this idiotic statement.
I didn’t expect everyone to agree with her. But so goes it. In 2023 we can’t admit that there would have been no civil war if there hadn’t been slavery.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:35 pm to thelawnwranglers
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State rights
A state’s right to do what?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:42 pm to rmnldr
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In 2023 we can’t admit that there would have been no civil war if there hadn’t been slavery.
Wrong again
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:52 pm to reddy tiger
Desantis comments on it when asked at an event this morning:
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:54 pm to Epaminondas
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I'm sure that when the framers of the Constitution talked about securing the blessings of liberty to "our Posterity" they meant the children of every Hindu and Somali that washes up on the shore.
I can't stand Nikki, but her parents were legal immigrants. They were not here illegally.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:55 pm to Tandemjay
She should be asked why the Democrats still practice slavery to this day ......
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:56 pm to SUJagsfan
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States rights to do what exactly?
Tell the federal government and its' enabler states, some of whom also had slavery, to frick right off.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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Desantis comments on it when asked at an event this morning:
Home run
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:58 pm to rmnldr
Granted, he knew it would come this morning so was prepared, but that's how you answer that question in this setting.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 12:59 pm to Cuz413
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Wrong again
So your stance is, if slavery was never allowed in the U.S., there still would’ve been a civil war?
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:02 pm to rmnldr
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Home run
Yes smashed it to the cheap seats.
Still voting TRUMP 2024!
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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I can't stand Nikki, but her parents were legal immigrants. They were not here illegally.
Thanks, Ted Kennedy. And like most conservatives typically do, there are a lot of posters here “conserving” yesterday’s progressive agenda. Many of you will be defending trans rights in 20 years.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:10 pm to rmnldr
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Haley declines to say slavery was cause of Civil War
Probably because it wasn't.
Slavery was a secondary or even tertiary cause AFTER the war had need going of for at least a year.
See Southern traders never really liked Northern aristocrats and politicians telling them who they could sell their good to and for how much.
Posted on 12/28/23 at 1:13 pm to Snipe
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Slavery was a secondary or even tertiary cause AFTER the war had need going of for at least a year.
Slavery was the explicit reason mentioned in the secession articles of several states. The possibility of the Fed Gov banning slavery was a major fear of the southern states. Lincoln's position was to preserve the Union at all costs. The CSA's position was to preserve slavery, as it was essential to their political economy. Any other position ignores the words of the CSA itself.
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