re: Guys...relax. We only seized 43 pounds of Fentanyl at the Canada border last year

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I imagine the fentanyl that comes from Mexico is weighed in tons

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Why?

You said that the southern border was secure, and that nobody would ever cross in remote areas.

The reality is, with our massive border with Canada, largely un-watched, has massive quantities as well.

What is even scarier is terrorist, not fentanyl, are a bigger problem at the Canadian border vs Mexico.

Stout, thanks for the article. It sounds like Canada is addressing the problem, but could do better.

But couldn't the US do a better job? According to your article:

"...trafficking networks in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico have increased production of fentanyl and other drugs, and have been sending more offshore."

So is the U.S. responsible for all of the fentanyl produced here and "sent offshore"?

I think our "argument" is about played out. We agree about everything except fentanyl being the actual reason for the tariff on Canada...if it were, why would there be a lesser tariff on Canadian petroleum...is that Canadian industry somehow less responsible for fentanyl in the US than say Canadian timber? Also, if it were because of fentanyl, why wouldn't there be some condition/metric lifting the tariff if Canadian fentanyl coming into the USA were reduced/eliminated?

I agree that even small amounts of fentanyl are incredibly dangerous. I trust Trump has a good reason for imposing the same 25% tariff on (most) Canadian and Mexican goods. I just don't think fentanyl has anything to do with the real reasons for the tariff on Canada.

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We agree about everything except fentanyl being the actual reason for the tariff on Canada

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I never said this. It's a contributing factor. Trump never even said it was the actual reason. He listed many reasons.

Go look at how Canada and Mexico have both worked with China to create transshipments of Chinese steel to avoid USA tariffs on Chinese steel despite that being a specific condition of the USMCA. CA and MX have purposefully F'd us hard on that issue alone.

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Canadian Fentanyl being the true reason for the 25% tariff = very unlikely in my opinion.

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This seems like the straw man you've chosen to destroy. Sorry if I missed the group of people saying fentanyl was the sole reason for the tariffs. We know for a fact Trump never said it, so it's an odd point for you to focus your entire coy act on, in my opinion.

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I never said this. It's a contributing factor. Trump never even said it was the actual reason. He listed many reasons.

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I'm glad we stuck with it, then. We're in complete agreement. And thanks for the update on listing many reasons.

The clip I saw has President Trump saying (paraphrasing) "I'm imposing this 25% tariff on Canada and Mexico because of the amount of Fentanyl coming across the borders." I knew he had discussed unfair and unbalanced trade with Canada. I had NOT seen him specifically tie the Canadian tariff to anything OTHER than Fentanyl.

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I'e been around drugs for much of my youth and early adulthood. The grip that opiates grabbed it's users was unlike anything I've ever seen. I'm very glad that they were never my drug of choice. I was a chronic alcoholic though, and that poison was going to kill me until I finally put the bottle down 8 years ago.

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Sacklers found a way to sell heroin legally with the endorsement of the FDA that it was safe and nonhabit forming.

Opiate addiction is not a moral or character deficiency, it’s a physiological certainty if you take it for any length of time.

Are you a centrist?

That’s what we seized. How much came through?