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re: GOP Senator drops bill to federally outlaw all porn
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:15 pm to Flats
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:15 pm to Flats
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You’re trying to make this a digital issue and the reality is that it’s analog.
Could governments regulate the means in which porn is distributed and still maintain compliance with the 1A?
For example ban all forms of porn distribution except for paper and Betamax (kidding about this but you get the point)?
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:15 pm to the808bass
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The belief that the “development of humanity” is bending towards some sort of “progress” is a religious/non-scientific belief.
I never used the word "progress" specifically.
That's why it's a constant thing. We analyze society, new behaviors/thoughts emerge, they get tested, and often get rejected and we return back to baseline. Sometimes we don't, and things like slavery get outlawed and the concepts of personal liberty and property rights are established.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:16 pm to the808bass
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It’s incoherent and necessary for them at the same time.
Being able to observe humanity and the social patterns that developed over the course of humanity isn't really incoherent
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:19 pm to GumboPot
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Could governments regulate the means in which porn is distributed and still maintain compliance with the 1A?
They can if 5 people say they can. If 5 people say they can’t then they can’t.
I didn’t (and won’t) read the bill. Maybe I’d be in favor of it, maybe I wouldn’t. I was responding to the predictable and depressing cries of “you can’t legislate morality” from the window licking crowd.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:19 pm to chalmetteowl
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For all I know, everything I choose to watch is 100% legal and ethical and that’s how I choose to view it
Respectfully, that is some head in the sand thinking but that's your convictions I guess. There are better ways to get sexual pleasure than watching something that makes pedophiles, rapists and abusers rich. Sort of a boner killer when you think of it that way.
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:19 pm to the808bass
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Do you think 10-year-olds have a Constitutional right to access porn?
You think the parents should be involved in raising their kids?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:20 pm to kingbob
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This is dumb, would require serious encroachments on civil liberties and privacy to even attempt to enforce, and would also be impossible to enforce.
I don't know... I haven't been able to get on pronhub for like over a year in NC...
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Being able to observe humanity and the social patterns that developed over the course of humanity isn't really incoherent
Calling it “development”, which typically has a positive meaning in this context, is. You could have used the word “change”; you didn’t.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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With respect to power? Everything.
But you’re just doing the same thing with your idea. So you shot yourself with your own gun, authoritarian.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:25 pm to TutHillTiger
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I am not defending porn but just pointing out you can not legitimately legislate morality anymore than you can legislate what people think
You most definitely are defending porn AND legislating morality in favor of porn. There never has been and never will be any law or regulation that has no basis in morality. It's just what moral viewpoint the law or regulation comes from. Pornography comes from a very dark moral perspective.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:27 pm to i am dan
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You think the parents should be involved in raising their kids?
I do. Do we allow kids to buy alcohol and “let the parents do their job?” Is our system of age verification for alcohol and tobacco purchases over-burdensome on “freedom?”
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
At what point does government mandated safety rules and regulations for a potentially personally damaging product cross over into a 1A violation for you?
This post was edited on 5/13/25 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:28 pm to TutHillTiger
I'm all for this. Porn is definitely being consumed by kids and adolescents, and I think it's terrible.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
I really don't know what your argument here is unless it's just how much of the authoritarian label you can attach -
The above seemingly endorses my entire premise, which is that authoritarianism vs. liberalism is the entirety of the discussion for you. Am I distorting your viewpoint here?
Because my response would be that it need not be, nor has it been (either in American history or conservatism).
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With respect to power? Everything.
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When we're dealing with government, that's pretty much the discussion.
The above seemingly endorses my entire premise, which is that authoritarianism vs. liberalism is the entirety of the discussion for you. Am I distorting your viewpoint here?
Because my response would be that it need not be, nor has it been (either in American history or conservatism).
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:30 pm to GumboPot
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This is not a hill worth dying on. Can you imagine going to the mat for porn?
With all the shite we have going on could you imagine spending time on banning porn?
We are 36T in debt. You can ban porn when that number hits 0.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:31 pm to KiwiHead
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for a Penthouse.......sometimes High Society, for the real nasty stuff. Playboy was too tasteful.
Is nudity porn? What is porn? Is a picture porn for some and not for others?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:33 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Porn is definitely being consumed by kids and adolescents, and I think it's terrible.
I theorize that porn usage is contributing dramatically to the decrease in birth rates.
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One out of three men under the age of 30 hasn’t had sex in the last year.
-Galloway
Much freedom. So amaze.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:34 pm to i am dan
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You think the parents should be involved in raising their kids?
I'm curious as to how this debate changes with scope.
If you lived in a town of 50 people, are you more willing to let the town decide it doesn't want to allow pornography in the town? 500 people? 1000?
Is there a point at which your argument of letting parents rather than government decide that issue for your kids fades because there is a certain level of collectivism you're less afraid of because you have more voice in it and/or can more easily opt in or out of it (ie, move to a new town, decide to avail yourself of a more/less restrictive community?)
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:35 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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We are 36T in debt. You can ban porn when that number hits 0.
If we don’t raise our birth rate, our debt becomes an insolvable issue. Thanks for stopping by. Grab some parting gifts on your way out.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 1:35 pm to LSUSkip
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I agree. The Christian in me says sure, get rid of it, but the libertarian in me says that it's not up to the legislature to decide
^^^^I totally agree (except I suppose I’m more of a small gov conservative with increasing libertarian tendencies).
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