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re: GOP Senator drops bill to federally outlaw all porn
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:34 am to OchoDedos
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:34 am to OchoDedos
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Once you start banning what one group sees as morally reprehensible, where does it stop? Prohibition is the classic example. It was a knee jerk reaction doomed to failure. When the Constitution tells me what 535 blowhards in Congress tell me what I can look at on the Internet, or can't look at legally, call me.
Should prostitution be legal? Why is it not currently legal?
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:34 am to TutHillTiger
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just pointing out you can not legitimately legislate morality anymore than you can legislate what people think.
But they think they can.
They're not moral or just themselves.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:35 am to OchoDedos
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Once you start banning what one group sees as morally reprehensible, where does it stop?
When the culture says it should.
Once you say you can't ban what one group sees as morally reprehensible, where does that stop?
People need to get over this asinine idea that we either do or don't legislate morality. Of course we do, and we always have, and if we're civilized we always will. The debate is which moral ideas should be codified and which ones we decide to be libertine over, not whether or not to do it at all.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:39 am to FATBOY TIGER
We legislate morality all the time. It's illegal to have sex with kids. Why? Because they aren't legal adults. We decided what an appropriate age for making adult decisions is and we hold people to that in this country. People married and had kids with 13 year olds for centuries but we've decided that, by our best judgement, it's morally wrong to have sex with children who do not have the capacity to make informed consent decisions. We say it's morally wrong to take advantage of a young person that way (which is the correct decision btw) and thus we legislate that moral view.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:42 am to Rip Torn
quote:I would say porn destroys minds. It isn't as easily measurable as seeing obese people. It's impossible to say which one destroys more lives. I would say people live a much happier life with heart disease. I am in favor of the US taking steps to make our food healthier by banning certain ingredients, banning soft drink purchases with food stamps, banning access to some foods...
Never claimed they were the same, however which destroys more lives: tobacco, alcohol, gambling, heart disease or pornography? There would be no adult film or internet pornography industry if billions of people didn’t visit them every year. It’s the fault of the consumer not the creator. Just so we are clear, I agree that pornography destroys lives.
quote:There would be no drug deaths without millions of drug addicts seeking drugs. Demand is not an argument for if it should be legal for the supplier to create.
There would be no adult film or internet pornography industry if billions of people didn’t visit them every year. It’s the fault of the consumer not the creator.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 10:57 am to JiminyCricket
Update me when their "morality" bothers them enough to ban the abortion of children.
Until this happens, morals don't mean shite.
Until this happens, morals don't mean shite.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:12 am to the808bass
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Do you think 10-year-olds have a Constitutional right to access porn?
Can't parents get software to prevent them watching. Maybe there should be a software tag for porn that would allow it to be filtered out.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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Those examples are already illegal.
Is it illegal to host that stuff?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 11:33 am to dgnx6
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But to act like there aren’t societal problems and other crimes related to the porn industry is just silly
Did I say there weren't?? No.
Senators Spending time and energy to ban porn is silly when so many more important things need correcting.
A better idea would be to ban trans shite in our schools and not allow mentally ill people to be teachers and have access to our children.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:01 pm to JiminyCricket
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Once I began to see behind the veil and see all of the rot that goes on in that industry, I couldn't continue to extract pleasure from an industry that does that to people.
For all I know, everything I choose to watch is 100% legal and ethical and that’s how I choose to view it
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:08 pm to TutHillTiger
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GOP Senator drops bill to federally outlaw all porn
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I am not defending porn but just pointing out you can not legitimately legislate morality anymore than you can legislate what people think.
Probably already mentioned in this thread, but many natural and common laws are already based on morality and ethics.
Because of morality and ethics standards have been so dramatically debased and even eliminated, group-think has been subverted and warped and now a great number of Americans are led to believe EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE. (such has been the power of propaganda for over 50 years)
There is a compromise to "outlawing all porn"; I suspect that is the goal of submitting this bill. Something mus be done so that 10 years olds aren't "stumbling across" hard porno.
Unfettered access to Porn = Death of the Soul, Death of a Polite Society
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:13 pm to Smeg
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All speech should be protected. Hate speech. Porn. Etc.
So "Murder porn" and live sacrifice...should be "protected speech"?
Are all kinds of heinous acts and crimes against nature somehow become considered within the "speech" category?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:19 pm to SDVTiger
Orrrrrr. You wait until late Saturday afternoon when you know the drugstore owner's son who is 18 and DGAF and will be closing up at 7 pm and you hit him up for a Penthouse.......sometimes High Society, for the real nasty stuff. Playboy was too tasteful.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:19 pm to Smeg
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All speech should be protected. Hate speech. Porn. Etc.
Do you consider the the exceptions the court have ruled on to be legit?
Incitement to violence or lawless actions? Defamation under civil law? Actual threats like saying you are going to murder someone?
There are absolutist who think those should be allowed so is this
Also are you an absolutist about porn as you think it should be allowed in a school library?
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:37 pm to Rip Torn
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LOTS of things are destructive that are legal: alcohol, gambling, divorce, tobacco, corn syrup, fast food. Will the GOP be banning them as well? You cannot legislate every conceivable bad habit out of society and it would never work
So 10 year olds can buy a fifth at the grocery store. Got it.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:37 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't think there is some definite value set of conservative ideas to pursue,
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Government should absolutely pick winners and losers
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we should fight to make sure they pick the ones that a) align with our values and b) happen to also promote the most general good/furtherance of American interests.
You've just eliminated every criticism of Democrats wielding power or any argument for limiting government. You're just presenting perpetual malleability in justifying government expansion.
If I wanted to be conspiratorial, I'd label this Satanism.
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Petti basically did the Rufo argument.
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Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:40 pm to JiminyCricket
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just look at how angry people get when their porn is threatened.
I think this is more a battle of principles and the slippery slope than for porn itself. These fights always start on the fringe, just like how many of our protections from government overreach start with cases of absolute vile humans. Authoritarians always use this value framing to inch further and further into more power, and the majority of people bucking this evil see that and are relatively agnostic about the underlying proclaimed societal ill.
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:42 pm to Pettifogger
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but that framework has to reflect the values that support the entire endeavor and were always prominent during the country's rise and flourishing.
Convenient framing that doesn't really make sense.
The constant development of humanity via societal trial and error has no endpoint. I have no idea why you're choosing this particular one other than it was when our Constitution was written (which isn't really a statement towards morality or society at all).
Posted on 5/13/25 at 12:42 pm to Powerman
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Replace porn with alcohol or junk food and your answers will be the same.
The societal effect of junk food and porn are not the same.
We don’t let 10-year-old purchase alcohol. Why?
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