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re: Gallup, June 2021 polling: majority of republicans now support gay marriage.

Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:20 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38672 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:20 pm to
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Ok. You can reply to my response without using this website.

For several reasons, not just religious ones.

First of all, I believe the nuclear family (and, despite the bullshite that gets posted on the internet, a nuclear family is a family with children and two married parents of the opposite sex all living together) is the hope for society- and studies prove it. The nuclear family is the best indicator of a healthy society. As the nuclear family goes, so goes society. As the destruction of the nuclear family increases, so does poverty, crime, and other societal factors.

These are facts.

There is a reason why the destruction of the nuclear family is a Marxist goal for the US and has been for decades. BLM wasn’t the first movement with that as a goal.

Children need both a mother and father IN the home. The absence of one- especially the father- leads, again, to crime, poverty, and other societal and personal ills.

Domestic abuse in homosexual relationships is a problem at almost twice the ratio of heterosexual relationships.

Children raised by homosexual couples are almost 5 times as likely to be abused- both sexually and physically.

I’m aware that you’re going to run to Google to find anything you can to refute those facts. Sadly, your effort won’t be difficult. Not only do people with agendas and interest groups publish studies which make their way to articles in HuffPost and Salon that conveniently agree with their position in absolute totality, but Google and others have hidden the results of the mountainous evidence that opposes that agenda or viewpoint.

Homosexuality was considered a mental illness and rightly so by mental health professionals... until they were bullied into changing their stance by special interest groups.

It remains a mental illness.

The facts I listed above remain facts. Downvote away. Run to Google so your overlords can tell you how to think and what to say or believe. Scoff and insult and ridicule and- at the very height of irony and hypocrisy- call others bigots because of their religious beliefs that don’t fit your worldview.

At the end of the day, none of that will have changed the facts I listed. And it was by no means an exhaustive list.

I’ve seen the evidence. First hand. I’ve met the people. I know the sociologists.




Also, I generally dislike the term “equality” thrown about, as if homosexuals pretending to be married, suddenly made them equal after having not been. It’s a misnomer and a purposeful deception.

Homosexuals have always had the right to participate in marriage if they so chose. They didn’t want equality because they already had equality.

They wanted a change in the law and definition of what marriage is... so as to further destroy the nuclear family.


Quoted for truth.

People don't understand the amount of misdirection and pure manipulation of "research" that has gone on for decades. Research released via the news media, should rarely be trusted out of the gate.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 6:23 pm
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82436 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:23 pm to
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I oppose all government sanctioned marriages.


Agree.

Government should get out of the marriage business entirely.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:34 pm to
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Gay "marriage" will never be equal to Biblical marriage.
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No one believes that it is. They are totally separate.


Yeah like "no one" believes that a biological male can't be turned into a biological female.

If people didn't think Biblical marriage was the same as gay "marriage" then the gays would have been happy with calling it something other than marriage.
Posted by Concerned Senior
New England
Member since Oct 2020
771 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:57 pm to
I pretty much agree with what you wrote but if my grandkids ever announce marrying someone of the same sex, it will break my heart.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28161 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 6:59 pm to
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Just out of curiosity....how many posters on here still oppose same sex marriages being recognized?


We don't think your "marriage" should be recognized. Sorry.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:09 pm to
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Good lord dude get off the semantics. I just told you that “civil marriage” not a term of art. It’s just the phrase I happened to use, and I clarified that I meant marriage in a legal context.

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My use of “civil” as an adjective before “marriage” was solely intended to make the distinction between what the law considers to be a marriage and religious marriage.


Words have meanings and it’s not semantics when you try to change the meaning of words. Marriage is a religious ceremony, period. Your use of the words “civil marriage” is trying to convey that the government conducts a religious ceremony, when it’s a civil ceremony. Unless you believe government is a religion (which wouldn’t surprise me), then it’s a civil union. You know, separation of church and state and whatnot
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89832 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:12 pm to
I don't care because marriage now is just a fricking contract you sign letting the government know you are together.



And im not religious but plenty of religious people break their vows. So...


But like others have said. I shouldn't have to bake a cake for them.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:13 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37364 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:13 pm to
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Marriage is a religious ceremony, period.


You do understand that this is objectively false?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56554 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:16 pm to
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Just out of curiosity....how many posters on here still oppose same sex marriages being recognized?


How do you oppose something that is already accepted by government, the two individuals in marriage, sealed and done?

I do not approve of same sex marriage, I control that part of the argument

but acceptance? I mean we can not deny what is done...whether it's amoral or perverted, etc...

so I don't like the premise of the question
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89832 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:18 pm to
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Quoted for truth.

People don't understand the amount of misdirection and pure manipulation of "research" that has gone on for decades. Research released via the news media, should rarely be trusted out of the gate.



Or maybe we just didn't have the data?

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The review of three decades of peer-reviewed research by Melbourne Children’s found children raised in same-sex-parented families did as well emotionally, socially and educationally as their peers.

The study’s findings will undercut one of the arguments that have been used by the No campaign: that children need both a mother and a father to flourish.





One thing they talk about though is some of these children do come from previous hetero relationships.

It's kind of like, yes single mothers can raise good successful people, but it does put you behind the ball because those kids do live in poverty at higher rates and do drop out at higher rates.

But to just say, a single mother can't raise a child, is false.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
12782 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:30 pm to
Remember, the group that said this:
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You have no right to tell us what we can or cannot do in our bedroom.

Is the same group telling us this:
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We deserve special rights based on what we do in the bedroom.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:33 pm to
Most people don't even care. Get married if you want.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13581 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:37 pm to
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First of all, I believe the nuclear family (and, despite the bull shite that gets posted on the internet, a nuclear family is a family with children and two married parents of the opposite sex all living together) is the hope for society- and studies prove it. The nuclear family is the best indicator of a healthy society. As the nuclear family goes, so goes society. As the destruction of the nuclear family increases, so does poverty, crime, and other societal factors.

These are facts.


I don't disagree with your premise here, but if you look at poverty rates in the united states between 1960 and about 1980, they dropped sharply. It's important to note that this is exactly the period of time during which the birth rate out of wedlock started really increasing.

Violent crime was up during this period, but it peaked in the 1990s and then started going down, while out of wedlock births have steadily increased since the 1940s.

So I don't dispute that children in singe parent homes are more likely to commit crimes, etc., but it seems like there are several factors at play.

I suspect that the government attempting to subsidize fragmented families accounts for a significant portion of this.
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
13992 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:38 pm to
By definition, marriage is between a man and woman only.

Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:40 pm to
What I wouldn’t give to go back to 1997.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25322 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:40 pm to
I dont care either way.....

It is NOT a government issue!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173802 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:40 pm to
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What I wouldn’t give to go back to 1997.

You'd hate it
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 pm to
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I’m aware that you’re going to run to Google to find anything you can to refute those facts. Sadly, your effort won’t be difficult. Not only do people with agendas and interest groups publish studies which make their way to articles in HuffPost and Salon that conveniently agree with their position in absolute totality, but Google and others have hidden the results of the mountainous evidence that opposes that agenda or viewpoint.


"I have my opinion, and will dismiss anything that refutes that opinion out of hand."

Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65894 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:41 pm to
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Just out of curiosity....how many posters on here still oppose same sex marriages being recognized?


There is no such thing as gay marriage.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:47 pm to
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I don't disagree with your premise here, but if you look at poverty rates in the united states between 1960 and about 1980, they dropped sharply. It's important to note that this is exactly the period of time during which the birth rate out of wedlock started really increasing.


It's also the time when massive government handouts were being doled out to keep people out of the poverty that comes with having so many births out of wedlock
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