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re: Gallup, June 2021 polling: majority of republicans now support gay marriage.

Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:48 pm to
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Gay marriage has been steadily gaining acceptance for more than a decade.


Steadily?

I don't know about that part. Seems to me that it was pretty sudden, actually. Within about a 3-5 year period.

Did any population of people support it in any state public referendum when it came up for a vote?
Posted by Vegas Eddie
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:49 pm to
Support and don’t think the government should be involved are two different questions.
Posted by wackatimesthree
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:49 pm to
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It's also the time when massive government handouts were being doled out to keep people out of the poverty that comes with having so many births out of wedlock


Yeah. I said that.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 8:51 pm to
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It is inherently Biblical in the sense that God, who created everything including mankind, and instituted marriage in creating one male and one female and joining them together for the purposes of procreating and multiplying the face of the Earth with people.


Christians always say the Biblical definition of marriage is strictly one man and one woman, which is weird because it really isn't true. It's almost like a majority of them don't read the book...which in fact the statistics suggest is true.

Only two passages in the Bible, both in the NT, can reasonably be construed as alluding to a concept of one man and one woman. The rest of the Bible, including the entirety of the OT, defines marriage as essentially one man and however many women of reproductive age he can support.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:05 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:08 pm to
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By definition, marriage is between a man and woman only.


Except in nearly all human societies before the fall of Rome, and many thereafter, in which polygamous marriage was either legal, common or both.

And gay marriage isn’t even unique to modern western nations. Roman male elites were allowed to have legal romantic unions with each other, and at least two Roman emperors were married to men at one point. There’s also strong evidence that same sex unions were recognized in many parts of ancient China and Mesopotamia.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:13 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:10 pm to
Gallup is a joke. I have been part of their poll group for ten years. I always got polled at least once per month since I am a registered independent. I said that I disapproved of the Biden Presidency back in February and I have not gotten another poll request from them since.
Posted by Vegas Eddie
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:11 pm to
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Except in nearly all human societies before the fall of Rome, and many thereafter, in which polygamous marriage was either legal, common or both.


Gay poly marriage huh.... will be the next big thing here
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:12 pm to
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Christians always say the Biblical definition of marriage is strictly one man and one woman, which is weird because it really isn't true. It's almost like a majority of them don't read the book...which in fact the statistics suggest is true.

Only two passages in the Bible, both in the NT, can reasonably be construed as alluding to a concept of one man and one woman. The rest of the Bible, including the entirety of the OT, defines marriage as essentially one man and however many women of reproductive age he can support.



Looks everyone. It's our resident Biblical scholar who doesn't understand the Bible!
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:14 pm to
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Gay poly marriage huh.... will be the next big thing here


Emperor Nero was married to two men at the same time, complete with extravagant ceremonies and everything.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:15 pm
Posted by RAB
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:20 pm to
We used to have scientific polls called statewide referenda which were almost always finding that a majority of people were opposed to this. Even a liberal state like California saw this happen less than 13 years ago. Then robed men and women said we couldn’t have those anymore….I’m guessing because they felt all of human history and the contemporary majority were both wrong about this cornerstone issue. Now we rely on Gallup polls to tell us how people feel.

I miss the old way.
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:27 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:21 pm to
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Looks everyone. It's our resident Biblical scholar who doesn't understand the Bible!


The majority of the prominent men in the OT were married to multiple women at the same time. Solomon had 700 wives (plus hundreds of concubines). It’s a ubiquitous practice that the OT doesn’t condemn. Even Answers in Genesis, as biased a Christian organization as there is, acknowledges that nowhere in the Bible does it say a man is only allowed to have one wife at a time. Even the few passages that allude to monogamy in the NT don’t state this.

This is why Christian apologetic circles have devoted so much time to constructing narratives around why this practice is no longer allowed today and God only tolerated it back then because reasons.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:24 pm to
Still waiting for the part where gay "marriage" is Biblical. You know, since this thread is about gay "marriage."
This post was edited on 6/8/21 at 9:25 pm
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:30 pm to
my only opposition to Freaks getting their freak on was them co-opting the word marriage.

I could care less if they received a civil union that is in the law the same.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:39 pm to
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Still waiting for the part where gay "marriage" is Biblical.


It isn’t

I was specifically responding to the claim that the Bible clearly defines marriage as one man and one woman forever, because that’s the crux of the religious argument.
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:49 pm to
Government should have nothing to do with marriage. I’m sticking with that position.
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 9:51 pm to
Fake news.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 6/8/21 at 10:16 pm to
I still agree with God.

If you disagree with God because something is cooler than it used to be, then that’s on you.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:14 am to
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And gay marriage isn’t even unique to modern western nations. Roman male elites were allowed to have legal romantic unions with each other, and at least two Roman emperors were married to men at one point. There’s also strong evidence that same sex unions were recognized in many parts of ancient China and Mesopotamia.


That's true, it's not.

Neither is transgenderism.

As far as I am aware, the widespread acceptance of both has frequently accompanied the demise of a society throughout history. I'm not aware of a society in which either were widely accepted in a society historically considered to be in ascendance, only those considered to be in decline.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 6:18 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13574 posts
Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:17 am to
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I was specifically responding to the claim that the Bible clearly defines marriage as one man and one woman forever, because that’s the crux of the religious argument.


I agree that there is no evidence in the Bible that dictates only one man and one woman. The frequently cited single passage to support that idea IMO refers to the genders of the participants, not the number, and ignores the entire Old Testament in which multiple wives and concubines was the norm.

However, it's pretty clear on homosexuality.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 6/9/21 at 6:33 am to
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Just out of curiosity....how many posters on here still oppose same sex marriages being recognized?


I don’t support it.

I’m not against it.

I just don’t care. It’s not the hill I want to die on. Just as long as a religious institutions are not forced to perform the ceremonies or private businesses are not forced to cater to it if they don’t want to.
This post was edited on 6/9/21 at 6:39 am
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