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re: Elon tweets video of Qanon Shamon telling protesters to go home (reading trumps tweet)

Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:21 am to
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6492 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:21 am to
I'm not saying future demonstrations should be called off, or even the march to the Capitol should have been called off. I'm saying he should have gone with them.

There likely were Agent Provocateurs among the crowd. People like, Ray Epps, were everywhere.

It's pretty obvious to me that people like, Chansley, were puppets to further divide the country and isolate the MAGA movement. I'm not giving the Deep State a pass here. I'm merely pointing out that, Trump, bears at least some responsibility for the way things went down.

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167573 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:24 am to
Elon's tweet

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1634336094664916992

I heard on one of the news shows his lawyer say that the Shaman guy was in solitary confinement.

The lawyer agreed, a tactic to make J6th prisoners plead guilty to the charges the DOJ dictated.

Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
10607 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:25 am to
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It was conveniently forgotten.



Thankfully, just like I forgotten this bitch...



Posted by mwade91383
Washington DC
Member since Mar 2010
7889 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:27 am to
Not at all new, part of a public filing almost two years ago.

LINK
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36756 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:33 am to
quote:

I'm merely pointing out that, Trump, bears at least some responsibility for the way things went down.

And I don’t mean to disparage your opinion on the matter, although I disagree. I do respect another man’s right to his own opinion, but the question lingers…….for what reason exactly does Trump bear responsibility for the actions of those deviant troublemakers amongst the crowd?
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 7:38 am
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24023 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:37 am to
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I wonder where his sense of duty was BEFORE he illegally trespassed? Or did he think Trump wanted them to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power?

Breath into and out of a paper bag until the stimuli quit man.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6492 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:40 am to
The problem with a large gathering is that there's always going to be troublemakers. People can't let themselves get caught up in that. The way I see it, they must have thought they were the good guys and their actions would somehow be justified in the end.

It's really sad. You can tell most of the people had reverence for the building and its history. They just despised the people in it. I get that. It's just that there was no cavalry coming. There was no organized revolt. It was just a mob of disgruntled people whipped up into a frenzy and looking for answers.

I really wish there was a way for the common man to face these politicians and demand real answers for their manipulations. Sadly, there won't be, because of events like Jan 6th, were IMO a missed opportunity.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
39718 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:43 am to
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The lawyer agreed, a tactic to make J6th prisoners plead guilty to the charges the DOJ dictated.



Q Guy needs to get a new lawyer, asap. That lawyer is a lightweight. Some big Firm ought to step up and make a name for themselves. Low hanging fruit.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:03 am to
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I'm merely pointing out that, Trump, bears at least some responsibility for the way things went down.


That’s a little bit different than placing the blame squarely on him which you originally did. And I agree with you Trump miscalculated here. Trump was very unfocused in his election fraud claims, the simplest minds just thought the election was “stolen” but couldn’t/can’t explain how. It’s a weak and disorganized opinion that led to a disorganized assembly which made it possible for so many other interests to infiltrate (Antifa, govt actors, etc).

All that said, I can’t blame anyone but the people that set this up to be framed as an insurrection. It is 100% clear at this point that various levels of government allowed and encouraged this to happen.

When you asked to get punched so you can show someone your bloody lip, it’s your fault. Yes, the other party should have self control and has culpability, but you never would have gotten hit if you didn’t ask for it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:08 am to
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This video does nothing to prove his or Trump’s innocence/
Obviously not true. However, your post does plenty to prove your intellectual indolence.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90772 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:08 am to
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Q Guy needs to get a new lawyer, asap.
He does have a new legal team.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
28172 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:09 am to
quote:

When was this video taken? Before or after he was “presiding” in the house chambers?



Doesn't matter. He arrived at the chambers via a police escort, not a 10 minute long Braveheart fight sequence.

quote:

This video does nothing to prove his or Trump’s innocence/


The sheep says baaaa
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
16657 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:21 am to
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If he’s really in prison isn’t 41 months little long of a sentence and a bit harsh for trespassing?

He did not plead to trespassing. Nor was he ever charged with trespassing. Not sure where people are getting that. It

The charge he pled guilty to - Obstruction of an Official Proceeding carries a maximum sentence of 20 years, according to statute. LINK

Also indicated in the above link is the Sentencing Guidelines range, which reflects 41 months is the least amount of time he could get. A quick search indicates sentencing guidelines are a way to help ensure people sentenced to the same offense, and are similar using many other facts, are sentenced to an equal amount of time.

Posted by TomJoadGhost
Alabama
Member since Nov 2022
1003 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:28 am to
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He arrived at the chambers via a police escort


There’s also video of him entering the Capitol by breaking through a police barricaded door. The attempts to whitewash this guy’s actions that day are laughable.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 8:29 am
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:34 am to
fig!
Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
56001 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:55 am to
Nsurrection
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70336 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:14 am to
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I blame any and all of the so-called leaders that perpetuated the unproven claim of election fraud. Many of them knew at the time there was absolutely no evidence to support those claims.


It doesn't matter if the protesters were there to say the grass is red, not green.

It is the right to be there.

It is becoming clear the breaching of the capitol was a set up.

Shocking to hear, right? Just like kkk members kidnapped governor Whitmer too.
Posted by Kattail
Member since Aug 2020
4218 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:22 am to
Where does this video come from? Not questioning validity, looks like from a phone, not capitol’s cameras. Why are we just now seeing it?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95669 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:52 am to
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wonder where his sense of duty was BEFORE he illegally trespassed?


he was ESCORTED around the building by that building's security, who were armed LEOs. There is no reasonable court that could convict him with that evidence.

NONE.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
8673 posts
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:54 am to
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he illegally trespassed?


See this is where I have a problem. Is the Capitol Bldg private property? Who does it belong to? Libs take great issue with citizens entering a building that belongs to all of us but refuse to say that illegals streaming across the border are trespassing, among the other crimes they are committing. Make your case about vandalism or what-not but drop the trespassing nonsense unless you support the FBI/DOJ rounding up thousands of women who trespassed and attempted to occupy the Capitol during the Kavanaugh hearings. But of course, that's different.
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