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re: 'Due process' was stripped from illegals by President Clinton & Congress in the 1990s

Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:25 am to
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:25 am to
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Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
65454 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:29 am to
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Stephen Miller
May 5, 2025
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The right of “due process” is to protect citizens from their government, not to protect foreign trespassers from removal. Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation.

Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23212 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:32 am to
When did the SCOTUS rule that the law in question was unconstitutional? Link the ruling so we can all read the opinions.

Or are you here just to rabble rabble, with no facts, while being SFPs little gay lap dog
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 9:36 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
46281 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:36 am to
Banning him seems like a pretty simple solution. Lol
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6452 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:38 am to
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Has the Supreme Court struck it down?


Nope and in fact has ruled it's legal.


Individuals placed in expedited removal generally have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court, thanks to jurisdiction-stripping provisions in the 1996 law which created the process.

This means that even where an immigration officer acted unlawfully in issuing an order of expedited removal, a noncitizen is severely restricted in their ability to challenge that decision. Individuals may only bring a lawsuit challenging their expedited removal order if they are a lawful permanent resident, or someone already determined to be a refugee or granted asylum, who has been wrongfully subject to expedited removal.

In 2020, the Supreme Court upheld this law, finding that it did not violate the right to habeas corpus or due process.
Posted by SidetrackSilvera
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:40 am to
Posted by LawTalkingGuy
Member since Mar 2025
117 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:50 am to
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Is every citizen of the world covered under the US Constitution?


The only thing "covered under the US Constitution" is our government. The Constitution establishes our three branches of government, and sets forth what those branches can and cannot do.

Our government cannot infringe upon natural human rights and civil liberties that are necessary to ensure a free society. The whole point of the bill of rights is to limit our government and force it to recognize individual freedom

Natural human rights are inherent to everyone in the world, even those who live in countries that refuse to recognize these rights.

So, yes, come into the jurisdiction of our country, and our government is prevented from violating your inherent rights...you have the basic rights of free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, etc.

And our government cannot deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. (and to be sure, telling someone to "go home" is depriving them of liberty).

Due process of law, however, simply means the government follows established procedures to ensure people are treated fairly and justly. It does not require full blown criminal trials for every person accused of entering the country illegally. Just follow the established rules which provide an opportunity for them to defend the allegation.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14680 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:59 am to
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And our government cannot deprive anyone of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. (and to be sure, telling someone to "go home" is depriving them of liberty).


bullshite. Someone breaks in your house, telling them to GTFO and you are violating their rights? That's lawyer/judge bullshite.

One of the technicalities we are working to get struck down in the Arkansas stand your ground law is language that you must be "legally present" if you use your weapon. Applied to everyone, how can a criminal illegal be legally present to receive the rights of an American citizen?
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:06 am
Posted by Basinhunterfisher
Member since Feb 2018
782 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 9:59 am to
if it were a democrat president we wouldnt even know about it, but since its Trump the mainstream media is going crazy over sending illegals home
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162973 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:14 am to
Cut the crap.

If they don't have 2nd amendment rights they don't have 5th amendment rights, no?

No amendment applies to illegals. They get due process in immigration court to establish if they qualify for asylum.

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Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13539 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:18 am to
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Individuals placed in expedited removal generally have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court


Correct. The large majority of people aren't given expedited orders though, and even then they can still request, and are required to be given, Credible Fear Interviews if they claim a fear of return. If they pass the CFI then they are put into 240 removal proceedings. During those proceedings they are subject to mandatory detention, which I have seen to be a major deterrent to requesting CFI's.

This is why Stephen Miller is so smart, but also so disingenuous. He speaks in half truths that the base eats up, and then gets the Left to start arguing a position that makes them look like lunatics.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:20 am
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162973 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:19 am to
Obama, Clinton, Biden, deported many and no one blinked an eye.

Biden is supposedly documented telling them to send the violent gangs.

Obama, Biden, Democrats and most republicans don't give a rats arse about the people in the Ohio town thrown in a tizzy with Haitians overnight.

They wanted vile gang members to join up with hoodrat gangz to fight the working class. It didn't work out, the black and white gang members said GTFO to the S American gangz.

They want/wanted DESTABILIZATION and global order---- with the American President sitting in a cuck chair-- while -- they were getting sodomized with no lube.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:22 am
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
10441 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:25 am to
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 (and to be sure, telling someone to "go home" is depriving them of liberty).


No, it's really not.

quote:

Just follow the established rules which provide an opportunity for them to defend the allegation.


So, now we're back to the retarded logic that Biden can bring in 20 million illegals by breaking laws with no due process for the citizens whose cities and neighborhoods they ruin, but Trump has to hold 20 million individual trials to deport them. GFY.

Your "logic" is simply an attempt to drag out the process so as many illegal rapists, murderers, and welfare leeches can stay here as possible.

Can you prove you're a citizen? No, then GTFO. That's the only due process they deserve. Less than 10% of the illegals filed for asylum, so 90% do not have any right to defend their illegal status when they didn't follow the correct process to get in.

You didn't care about the process when they came here, so don't pretend to care about it now.
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4172 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:30 am to
The 5th Amendment asserts the rights of "no person," setting it apart from other amendments that specifically call out citizenship.

Don't you think using this universal language was deliberate to emphasize that these rights are inherent to all individuals, regardless of citizenship?

If you all believe so highly of the infallible founding fathers (even though it seems you guys only feel that way about the 2nd), you have to think using that language was intentional.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:31 am
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
17678 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:32 am to
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“It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993)


That case and ruling deal specifically with the detainment of unaccompanied minors suspected of being illegal and who they may be released to.

If this were to apply across the board, how come in all this time since, it is SOP to round up illegal border crossers and send them back (except under Biden)? No due process cases? Why is that? Why the sudden cries of due process? Everyone knows why.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
9076 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:39 am to
The "Rule of Law" will be the end of the US as we knew it as the judicial system winds itself into a knot.

Flood the country with illegals overnight, overwhelm the system, and the establishment fights like hell to make sure all have "due process" knowing we could never litigate millions of people.

But SFP is happy...
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
162973 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:41 am to
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I remember this on CNN, MSNBC, ALL ALPHABETS, BREAKING FREAKING NEWS.

It was revered BREAKING NEWS. Janet Reno was like a tranny cuck Alex Soro's and it was justfine...

ELIAN GONZALEZ had his mother die at sea and a dolphin landed him in to Meejammy. It was the first time NORMIES --I don't use that term lightly-- knew about GTMO NAS, Cuba.

HE WAS DEPORTED AT GUNPOINT. WHERE was his second and fifth amendment rights, huh SFP?

He was related to Fidel even, go freaking figure. It was also justfine for Janet Reno fugly dyke to send MILITARY TANKS to crash windows and burn down Waco, TX. And shoot a woman dead holding a baby on her porch---- at Barr and Clinton's order at Ruby Ridge...

But these gang members that disembowel people standing HAVE rights. suddenly ----according to SFP and imbecile democrats.

This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:43 am
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
13539 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:44 am to
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Why the sudden cries of due process? Everyone knows why.


As someone who has a career in this field, and vehemently disagree politically with 97% of the others in this field this is my biggest rub.

The termination of CHNV? Started under Biden, no news until Trump terminated.

Random pick ups of people? Biden re-started in early 2024, no federal judge blocked it.

Circumventing Lawful Pathway bar to asylum? No news articles, and it is way more restrictive than the Third Country Transit bar Trump had blocked in term 1.

Selective outrage from "advocates" suddenly stop when the right person is in the White House.
This post was edited on 5/6/25 at 10:46 am
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
26341 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:44 am to
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I'm just making that statement generally. A law could be passed unanimously by Congress and the Senate and signed by the President and still violate the Constitution and be ruled illegal by the courts.


And that law today still stands. So until then....
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
7074 posts
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:48 am to
this is not a legal issue, its an administrative one. They are not citizens so administratively they must be removed.

They are not being charged with anything to make it a legal issue. simple as that
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