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re: DEI? Multiple patients at a Nashville hospital are paralyzed after staff accidentally

Posted on 8/22/26 at 2:54 pm to
Posted by BCvol
Member since Jan 2022
765 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 2:54 pm to
At this point just give me an AI healthcare team. Between DEI and the political hate we've seen from nurses, I'll take my chances with AI.
Posted by WylieTiger
Member since Nov 2006
14796 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 2:55 pm to
The syringe was probably filled in the hospital pharmacy then tubed to surgery to be placed on a pump for the spinal. Therefore it was probably labeled as Bupivicaine meaning that the surgery team or anesthesia team only go off of the label and being that it’s a clear liquid, trust that pharmacy correctly constituted it. If it were a cocktail, any compounding (3 or more meds/components to be mixed) will usually, per policy, be mixed in the pharmacy and not in the OR by the nurse.

This is a straightforward pharmacy issue if the story is correct that it was a syringe from there.

This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 2:56 pm
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
32393 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 3:24 pm to
I think that's all on the anesthesiolgist.

They are the only people in the room injecting anything into the patient I believe.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27875 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 3:45 pm to
Where was the error made?

The pharmacy mixing intrathecal infusions. You get bags all mixed already with labels on them. Nurse only reads a label. 5-10 years ago mixing of meds is taken completely out of nursing hands. High risk meds should not be mixed by a 20 year old kid who took a 3 week class. But cutbacks aren’t just nursing. Nursing is just the largest group that everyone thinks of.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66883 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 5:02 pm to
This is going to get worse and worse as time goes by. It's already become more like Canada and Europe, with long waits for appointments. As more people with shitty or fake educations and foreign origins get cycled into the system, it will become a massive clown show.

It's a shitty time to be getting old.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11943 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:17 pm to
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This is going to get worse and worse as time goes by. It's already become more like Canada and Europe, with long waits for appointments. As more people with shitty or fake educations and foreign origins get cycled into the system, it will become a massive clown show.

It's a shitty time to be getting old.


Most medical schools in America have higher standards than those in India.

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Posted by Stat M Repairman
Member since Jun 2023
3384 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:36 pm to


They don’t wanna work, they just wanna dance.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66883 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:36 pm to
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Most medical schools in America have higher standards than those in India.

They don't seem to be the ones getting the jobs. It's more and more discount jeets every year.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
171149 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:41 pm to
Frightening.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
21201 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:50 pm to
I guess this is why various states around the country couldn’t get potassium chloride to use in executions of condemned prisoners because the manufacturers wanted to ensure there was enough available to kill innocent people in the hospital.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29421 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:53 pm to
My home base is Murfreesboro, but I live and work abroad. Last month, at Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok, I had a lesion biopsied, and ultimately cut out when pathology showed it was a basal cell carcinoma. 96th ranked hospital in the world by Newsweek. Even though home is Murfreesboro, there's no way in hell I'm letting anyone in a Nashville hospital cut on me.
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
20118 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:57 pm to
People gonna get paid millions.
Posted by Refrigeraider
Member since Jan 2026
152 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 6:59 pm to
Now... didn't they put a nurse in prison for giving vecuronium because she thought it was versed a few years ago? She couldn't find versed so she just pulled the first med that stsrted with a "V"?

But she was white? Right?
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11943 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:08 pm to
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They don't seem to be the ones getting the jobs. It's more and more discount jeets every year.


They hire their own too.

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Indians start their “professional” education in primary school. They then can be awarded their MD or DDS in a 2 year program at NYU, where Americans have 4 years of undergrad and 4 years of medical/dental school to attend, with medical doctors often requiring post doctoral residencies for GP practice. Add 2-4 more years for specialists!
Indians skip college and half of med school!


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Ascension Saint Thomas today announced that Fahad Tahir, the system's chief strategy officer and former president and CEO of Ascension Saint Thomas Hospital Midtown and West campuses, will replace Tim Adams as president
https://about.ascension.org/news/2023/01/ascension-saint-thomas-announces-new-president-and-ceo
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11943 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:10 pm to
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Now... didn't they put a nurse in prison for giving vecuronium because she thought it was versed a few years ago? She couldn't find versed so she just pulled the first med that stsrted with a "V"?


Accidents happen but 4 times in a row? Heads need to roll.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
6736 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:14 pm to
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Accidents happen but 4 times in a row? Heads need to roll.



A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. I'm sure if you go back in time, you'd find a similar case, but safety protocols were put in place to prevent it from happening again. But... supply shortages happen. Necessity becomes a mother-fricker, and eventually "emergency" exceptions to policy happen. Then eventually the new policy becomes the default and the same problem is bound to happen again.

Complacency kills. Trying to save a buck at the expense of safety also kills. I suspect it was a combination of the two. Complacency and Greed that enabled and sustained bad policies.

Edit: I've seen this same thing happen in aircraft maintenance. People "get away" with taking shortcuts for a long time and begin to believe that the standard is unnecessary. Crew chiefs agree and the mandatory policies are ignored/unpoliced. Then, a plane crashes and everyone is scratching their heads wondering, "How could this happen."

Laziness, complacency, greed.
This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 7:17 pm
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36665 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:16 pm to
That's not an accident, it's malice.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18969 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:20 pm to
If it was just one incident with one patient... maybe I could get on board the overworked and understaffed theory. But multiple patients.. that seems like incompetence on multiple levels.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
25945 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:25 pm to
we dont know that.....but handling this level of drugs is critical and that place will be sued to death, and they should
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29421 posts
Posted on 8/22/26 at 8:00 pm to
My first experience at Bumrungrad was for one of their executive mega-physicals back in December. 6 hours, all in one shot, one appointment. Bloodwork, urinalysis, complete abdominal scan, cancer markers for various cancers, liver, kidney, and thyroid function tests, stress test and followup with the cardiologist, eye exam and consult with the eye doctor. Then a final consult with the generalist at the end to go over all results. Same day.

I saw at least three doctors...the generalist, the cardiologist, the eye doctor. Technician who administered the stress test, technician who performed the ultrasound on my abdomen, and assorted nurses.

My appointment was at 10:00 AM...and they got me in at 10:00. They moved me seamlessly from one station to the next, with a wait of no more than 3 minutes in between. When I finished the stress test, the cardiologist came in the room about 60 seconds after it was finished.

There was a 25 minute wait to see the generalist at the end of the day. That's when they pointed me toward the buffet spread (included) catered by JW Marriott.

Total cost if I'd had no insurance: $950.

By the way...I got an answer for the steady uphill climb of my PSA for the last 14 years. My Murfreesboro GP and my urologist always pushed me to have another biopsy. After 3 biopsies, the most recent in 2023, I said look, I obviously don't have cancer, so why does my PSA keep climbing? They had no answer. Seems to me that they want to keep pushing biospies because they generate revenue..in spite of the nasty side effects and risks of infection. Anyway, the Thai doctor is going over my results, and he gets to the PSA. I tell him the whole history and how doctors in Nashville had no answer. He says, "well, here's why your PSA is high. Your prostate is 59 grams, and the average for a man your age is 35-40." Tennessee doctors couldn't tell me that?

Just another reason why I'll always go back to Bangkok. I'm not letting a Nashville or Murfreesboro doctor touch me.

Depending on your insurance plan, it may be more cost effective for many Americans to do the same thing.

Why can't we have nice things?
This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 8:06 pm
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