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re: Capitalists & Politicians raped USA & left it unable to make medicine or defend itself.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:59 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:59 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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I gave you a good list to start with and you couldn’t even discuss them.
I can discuss them, but we need the full list to decide just how much subsidies the US taxpayer has to pay, and if it's worth it.
The larger reason is that it's avoiding the preference of MAGA-types to use malleable terms to bait and switch discussions.
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At the start of the computer age all the best/advanced chips were made in NoCal (thus the reason it was nicknamed Silicon Valley).
40-50 years ago.
Taiwan didn't replace them with cheap labor. Taiwan just did it better than them. Hence, we never "lost" the new generation of advanced chips.
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:59 pm to RiverCityTider
They have Capitalist and Pigs in all countries. Don’t kid yourself.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:00 pm to RiverCityTider
100%.
We will overcome this and come out 10x stronger on the other side of this than we ever were before.
If you haven’t read it before, check out Accidental Superpower by Peter Zeihan, and The Changing World Order by Ray Dalio
Our best days are AHEAD of us, if only we can organize cohesively behind the right leaders.
We will overcome this and come out 10x stronger on the other side of this than we ever were before.
If you haven’t read it before, check out Accidental Superpower by Peter Zeihan, and The Changing World Order by Ray Dalio
Our best days are AHEAD of us, if only we can organize cohesively behind the right leaders.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:02 pm to RiverCityTider
Everyone is also depending on Just In Time inventory systems and there is no inventory kept onhand.
If supply of anything is interrupted, there are immediate shortages as raw materials and finished goods supply chains are designed so that there is not idle inventory taking up space in the processes.
If supply of anything is interrupted, there are immediate shortages as raw materials and finished goods supply chains are designed so that there is not idle inventory taking up space in the processes.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:02 pm to Jjdoc
So you won't define capitalism for us. Got it.
Quoted what?
Let me ask it this way; If there were no tariffs anywhere on earth and we had completely free trade, then businesses here decided to leave because of lower compliance costs and wages elsewhere, you would want government to step in and "fix" that "problem", correct?
Quoted what?
Let me ask it this way; If there were no tariffs anywhere on earth and we had completely free trade, then businesses here decided to leave because of lower compliance costs and wages elsewhere, you would want government to step in and "fix" that "problem", correct?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:03 pm to stuntman
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So you won't define capitalism for us. Got it.
This discussion is beyond his capabilities.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How is taking money from productive areas to redistribute it to unproductive areas going to lead to prosperity, exactly?
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This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:13 pm to ABearsFanNMS
I'm specifically not talking about the stock market.
I'm talking about "Bringing manufacturing home"
I'm talking about "Bringing manufacturing home"
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:19 pm to stuntman
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Let me ask it this way; If there were no tariffs anywhere on earth and we had completely free trade, then businesses here decided to leave because of lower compliance costs and wages elsewhere, you would want government to step in and "fix" that "problem", correct?
Should China be making our military aircraft? They could probably do it cheaper.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:20 pm to the808bass
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Should China be making our military aircraft? They could probably do it cheaper.
We need the full list of "national security" items to have that discussion.
Otherwise it's a moving target, or "infrastructure"
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:22 pm to oklahogjr
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Goal of any company is to increase profits regardless of size
Maximizing profitability =/= increasing profits.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to state here as a difference?
Not every company seeks to be a large corporation, which was your original question.
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M&A activity is based on making money
M&A is a path to becoming a much larger company, but it’s not always based on making more money.
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I'm just looking to understand the difference between corporatocracy and capitalism.
As you stated, corporations at times take action to reduce competition, which is not always in sync with maximizing return on investment. A byproduct of a given market condition. Regulation is another ingredient that seeks to suppress it (often by allowing it to exist)
Nevertheless, my answer to this question is more that Capitalism is a market philosophy and revolves around who owns the means of production. Very broadly, there is a spectrum from pure unadulterated capitalism and oppressive communism. These sometimes cross paths with politics (from eliminating government to being perfectly in sync with government) but they are market philosophies first and foremost.
Corporatism is more of a business practice in which the largest players exert more influence than the market presence may suggest. It could exist anywhere on the market spectrum described above but more likely to exist on the capitalist side. However, it’s a natural disruption to an otherwise efficiently planned market. I would liken it to organized crime, which exists in many different forms, depending on police presence - but the presence is always self serving.
All of these concepts intersect, but in my view they are a way to describe very distinct concepts that I would broadly package into the term “society”
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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More anti capitalist rhetoric from the leftists
Do you support monopolies that raise the price on goods once all the competition is silenced? Are you against public utilities?
If either is no, then you are anti-capitalist. You support restrictions on the free market. If wanting to manufacture vital goods at home is "anti-capitalist," then so is preventing monopolies.
Anyone sitting here pretending they support "true capitalism" because they don't support any restrictions, like ensuring national security, is a liar.
If you actually do support monopolies, then you're an idiot and a hypocrite, because you've been bitching like a little girl for a week about how Trump is raising prices while your own strict adherence to your principles does the same.
So which is it? Are you a true capitalist or do you only pretend to be one while attacking others for being smart enough to know that absolute capitalism leads to worse outcomes, the thing you claim to not want?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:25 pm to stuntman
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So you won't define capitalism for us. Got it.
I will define our nation. It is a republic. In a republic, their is a gov. It has a role.
You are arguing for a different type of Gov.
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Let me ask it this way; If there were no tariffs anywhere on earth and we had completely free trade, then businesses here decided to leave because of lower compliance costs and wages elsewhere, you would want government to step in and "fix" that "problem", correct?
What about this are you not grasping? We, as a nation are a republic by design. We have a gov of the people and for ITS people.
That includes protecting critical needs for us as a nation. As I have already explained to slow motion, in your world it's ok if we don't keep critical needs protected. China could literally cut of meds and kill millions of people in the USA right now. And you want more of it.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We need the full list of "national security" items to have that discussion.
I wouldn’t have a problem with people making some determinations around this. I don’t have the knowledge to make those determinations. That’s far different than the position that such a list is unknowable or impossible to be compiled.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:26 pm to the808bass
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Should China be making our military aircraft? They could probably do it cheaper.
Bump
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:28 pm to the808bass
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Should China be making our military aircraft? They could probably do it cheaper.
Probably not.
The point I'm trying to make in here is that the destruction of the word "capitalism" is something that the Left have done incredibly well over the years and now populists are falling right in line w/ it. This is bad news, because trading w/ other countries has been incredible for everyone involved. It's like a ton of people on the right (and I'm as far right as it gets if you look at the political scale based on institutional coercion) all of a sudden don't know what comparative advantage is, or why it benefits us all.
For people like Jjdoc, I'm almost convinced he'd want to shut down all foreign trade in order for us to produce all things here....which would be fricking insane. But, that's the road it seems a lot of my right wing brethren are on. Sucks.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:29 pm to stuntman
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This is bad news, because trading w/ other countries has been incredible for everyone involved.
No, it hasn’t.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:31 pm to the808bass
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I wouldn’t have a problem with people making some determinations around this.
There will be good arguments to subsidize SOME things for national security.
For discussion purposes, the problem is the bait and switch and "Slippery slope" aspects. It has become "infrastructure" for many.
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I don’t have the knowledge to make those determinations.
To be fair, I meant the full list for people like us to discuss/debate. I'm not saying you have to go through unilaterally and determine each one.
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That’s far different than the position that such a list is unknowable or impossible to be compiled.
I don't think it is, but this is how they want it to remain. Hence why it's a slippery slope.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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For discussion purposes, the problem is the bait and switch and "Slippery slope" aspects. It has become "infrastructure" for many.
I agree with this. Anytime you put a list like this together, companies will want to get their shite on the list. And without a legitimate security interest for their product, it’s just corporate welfare.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:37 pm to stuntman
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The point I'm trying to make in here is that the destruction of the word "capitalism" is something that the Left have done incredibly well over the years and now populists are falling right in line w/ it.
Again. Bs. I agree with every conservative stance. Conservatism is not libertarian.
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all of a sudden don't know what comparative advantage is, or why it benefits us all.
To what end? To the destruction of the USA?
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For people like Jjdoc, I'm almost convinced he'd want to shut down all foreign trade in order for us to produce all things here....which would be fricking insane. But, that's the road it seems a lot of my right wing brethren are on. Sucks.
You are full of shite. You are not listening, only hearing what you want to hear.
Does the gov, per our constitution have a role or not.
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