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re: Capitalists & Politicians raped USA & left it unable to make medicine or defend itself.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
You aren't educating me. Like I said. DAVID AUTOR.
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:54 pm to Jjdoc
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Did it establish a framework that facilitates its development by guaranteeing private property rights, encouraging free trade, and creating a stable legal system for contract enforcement, all of which are crucial for a market economy?
Compound question.
It didn't "guarantee private property rights" or "encourage free trade"
And the majority of the legal system of our country has nothing to do with the Constitution (the federal system is very small, comparatively).
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:55 pm to Jjdoc
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You aren't educating me. Like I said. DAVID AUTOR.
How many more manufacturing jobs do you think the US needs, exactly?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How many more manufacturing jobs do you think the US needs, exactly?
Look dumb arse. Learn to read and keep up. The question was who had been hurt by it.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:00 pm to Jjdoc
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Look dumb arse. Learn to read and keep up. The question was who had been hurt by it.
People who were hurt, hurt themselves. Quality manufacturing jobs are available for them. They just don't want them, for various reasons (I think the jobs are likely too hard and not as cushy/overpaid as the ones they had).
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I rely on data
What data? Got a link?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:07 pm to This GUN for HIRE
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What data? Got a link?
Look up. I'm educating jj on how we have plenty of manufacturing jobs in the US today
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Manufacturing as a percentage of jobs is a third of what it was in 1980. Total, it’s half.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:16 pm to NukemVol
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Manufacturing as a percentage of jobs is a third of what it was in 1980.
Our economy has advanced and created distance as the best economy during that time.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:17 pm to RiverCityTider
quote:Hmmm. Let's see
And that's a fact.
quote:Would you consider the DEFENSE industry to be a solid example of capitalism?
We have a defense industry that has supply chains that run right through China.
quote:Would you consider an industry ENORMOUSLY regulated/in bed with the government to be a solid example of capitalism?
Literally, we inport critical medicine through China.
quote:To rephrase to make this more useful........you believe "corporate hacks" are SUCCESSFULLY manupulating government officials to their advantage(true) and you believe thre solution to this problem is............government officials?
corporate hacks pillaging the whole country for cash is preferable to a few patriots putting on the breaks.
I could go on but me thinks you have a decent finger on problems happening, but a kinda horrible grasp of the definitions you are applying.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is the dirty little secret. They can ramp manufacturing up to the moon, they can build new plants on every street corner in the US and have them running at full capacity at warp speed, but those plants are going to be primarily automated and robotic because that’s what manufacturing is today, and the human beings who are employed will need some level of technical training, at least a 6-month certificate in some field, to get their feet in the door.
The production and manufacturing will be wonderful for the country as a whole, but it does nothing to address the core problem of finding roles in the workforce for good men with a strong back, a strong work ethic but only a high school diploma or less (like my father, a nearly 40-year steel worker and one of the finest men ever to draw breath on this planet) who were left struggling to house and support their families after the old-school manufacturing that allowed them to do that went overseas.
Those folks have become a big part of Trump’s base, and I fear what is going to happen when the dirty little secret dawns on them. But I don’t have a serious answer for fixing the core problem.
The production and manufacturing will be wonderful for the country as a whole, but it does nothing to address the core problem of finding roles in the workforce for good men with a strong back, a strong work ethic but only a high school diploma or less (like my father, a nearly 40-year steel worker and one of the finest men ever to draw breath on this planet) who were left struggling to house and support their families after the old-school manufacturing that allowed them to do that went overseas.
Those folks have become a big part of Trump’s base, and I fear what is going to happen when the dirty little secret dawns on them. But I don’t have a serious answer for fixing the core problem.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:28 pm to InkStainedWretch
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The production and manufacturing will be wonderful for the country as a whole, but it does nothing to address the core problem of finding roles in the workforce for good men with a strong back, a strong work ethic but only a high school diploma or less (like my father, a nearly 40-year steel worker and one of the finest men ever to draw breath on this planet) who were left struggling to house and support their families after the old-school manufacturing that allowed them to do that went overseas.
Those folks have become a big part of Trump’s base, and I fear what is going to happen when the dirty little secret dawns on them. But I don’t have a serious answer for fixing the core problem.
I discussed this in another thread this morning, actually.
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I straight up chuckled.
The problem MAGA/Trumpism is going to face is that their decision to double down and cater to the uneducated/working class means they have to fully commit to catering to the working class.
The working class HATES the educated/professional class. Just read the messaging in the OP.
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“Who is the status quo not working for?” some of you will ask me from your Porsche, driving down PCH, or from your desk overseeing your millions in the market.
This class warfare only works one way, and the educated/professional class can only pretend so long to be baw-adjacent, outside of some extreme examples (like SFP, but we won't go there). At scale, it cannot work. Labor and management do not co-exist on the same planet.
As Bunk pointed out, MAGA is shifting from Libertarian MAGA to baw MAGA. The question is if they can ever pivot back, at this point.
The "I straight up chuckled" was a comment in response to me posting a funny meme after Bunk said he wished Libertarian MAGA would return, for context.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Our economy has advanced and created distance as the best economy during that time.
It’s been debt fueled consumerism to feed the market.
I’m not convinced these tariffs were even a good thing to do. But it’s not crazy. It’s a shift in the economic direction since 1980. But not unheard of. The average tariff is something like the 20% on the EU, which is 5% higher than what it was leading up to 1980. The Asian nations are seeing higher because that’s where trade shifted with slave wages.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:31 pm to NukemVol
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slave wages.
Emotional framing of something that doesn't exist.
May as well go full on leftist and use their terms (sweatshops)
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m fighting the problem with my son … who doesn’t care three cacas about politics so that’s not an issue … he’s as skilled with his hands as anyone I know, he can do electrical and plumbing and basic HVAC and even locksmith work of a level that he really shouldn’t be doing because he isn’t licensed, but his work is marvelous.
But he’s working retail at age 30 because he has made it known that he has no intention of doing what is necessary to get his foot in the door in any of these trades because “I am done with school or being in any kind of classroom setting, period, even for six months to get a certificate.” And it frustrates me to no end but at 30 he’s got to paddle his canoe his way.
But he’s working retail at age 30 because he has made it known that he has no intention of doing what is necessary to get his foot in the door in any of these trades because “I am done with school or being in any kind of classroom setting, period, even for six months to get a certificate.” And it frustrates me to no end but at 30 he’s got to paddle his canoe his way.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 2:40 pm to InkStainedWretch
On the flip side, I'm working on having kids myself, and if I have kids with my mental gifts, it scares me that they may have a reality where their higher-end opportunities are limited because we wanted to make more rubber dog shite in the US instead. That's just madness to me.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it scares me that they may have a reality where their higher-end opportunities are limited because we wanted to make more rubber dog shite in the US instead.
There's that binary thinking again.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Capitalists & Politicians raped USA
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And that's a fact.
Naw.
So it was ole Jimmy working as a gas station attendant?
Or the waitresses? Or the welders? Or baseball coaches?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:21 pm to BuckyCheese
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There's that binary thinking again.
We're allocating our resources. If we're taking from one area to subsidize another,
And I understand that our economy isn't static, but the higher-end production is a way to more economic growth. Going backwards is a way to the opposite.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 3:22 pm to Cuz413
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So it was ole Jimmy working as a gas station attendant?
Or the waitresses? Or the welders? Or baseball coaches?
We have a Rashomon scenario unfolding
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