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re: Capitalists & Politicians raped USA & left it unable to make medicine or defend itself.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:48 pm to ABearsFanNMS
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:48 pm to ABearsFanNMS
This is a battle between Globalists Capitalists and National Capitalists.
The difference Globalists don’t care about the well being of their citizens/nations as long as their wealth grows. Whereas the Nationalists understand you need to factor in your sovereign nation/citizens. We shouldn’t be letting Chinese Uger slave labor make our pharmaceuticals, iPhones, Nikes and drones.
The difference Globalists don’t care about the well being of their citizens/nations as long as their wealth grows. Whereas the Nationalists understand you need to factor in your sovereign nation/citizens. We shouldn’t be letting Chinese Uger slave labor make our pharmaceuticals, iPhones, Nikes and drones.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 12:49 pm
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:50 pm to oklahogjr
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Help me out here, is it not the goal of successful companies to grow into large corporations?
No. There’s thousands of companies in St. Louis that make hundreds of thousands of dollars for their owners and the last thing they want to be is a large corporation.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What are all of these "national security" areas that we have lost. Give me the full list so we can discuss each one.
Pharmaceuticals
Drones
WiFi technology
Computer chips
Electrical grid components
Etc…..
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:51 pm to Jjdoc
Define capitalism for us, Jjdoc.
The Constitution doesn't define it.
Oh, and about the Constitution and why I'm not a huge fan of it; " But whether the Constitution really be one thing or another, this much is certain- it has either authorized such a government as we have or powerless to prevent it."- Lysander Spooner.
Populists want more manufacturing in America through coercive measures. Where's that part in the Constitution?
The Constitution doesn't define it.
Oh, and about the Constitution and why I'm not a huge fan of it; " But whether the Constitution really be one thing or another, this much is certain- it has either authorized such a government as we have or powerless to prevent it."- Lysander Spooner.
Populists want more manufacturing in America through coercive measures. Where's that part in the Constitution?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:51 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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The difference Globalists don’t care about the well being of their citizens/nations as long as their wealth grows. Whereas the Nationalists understand you need to factor in your sovereign nation/citizens. We shouldn’t be letting Chinese Uger slave labor make our pharmaceuticals, iPhones, Nikes and drones.
From another thread
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How will your perceived "nation" benefit from being poorer?
Yeah there will be less income inequality via redistribution and devolving our economy (which is what you expect under leftist economic policies), but y'all haven't articulated why this is a good strategy.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:51 pm to OceanMan
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the goal of individuals is to maximize return on investment. M&A activity is usually driven by that philosophy for individual investors, whereas large corporations can have different goals, such as squashing competition.
Goal of any company is to increase profits regardless of size. Companies are very straight forward whether owned by one or many. The goal is to make money. M&A activity is based on making money, squashing competition is to take more market share and make more money. I'm not sure what you're trying to state here as a difference?
I'm just looking to understand the difference between corporatocracy and capitalism. Cause capitalism in its ultimate form has always been growth into a larger company.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:52 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Etc…..
I said all
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Computer chips
We never really had this to lose it. Not the current advanced chip.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:54 pm to the808bass
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. There’s thousands of companies in St. Louis that make hundreds of thousands of dollars for their owners and the last thing they want to be is a large corporation.
So corporatocracy is when a company becomes large and we don't want that. We want capitalism where the goal is a limited size business?
I don't feel like I got that right
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
The fallacy in that statement is an assumption that this downturn due to changes in trade will lead to a poorer nation. I would submit that it will do the opposite and history has proven this.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:54 pm to RiverCityTider
It wasn’t capitalism that did that. It was the infiltration of capitalism by subversive forces like socialism and over-regulation.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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. You would be perfectly fine with the USA not making anything on our own
I literally never said that
That is exactly what you advocate. We have a system that involves gov. And you dislike that. Without that, we would cease to be a nation because of take over. They could literally cut off the USA from critical needs and kill millions you fricking moron.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What are all of these "national security" areas that we have lost. Give me the full list so we can discuss each one.
Moron.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:56 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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The fallacy in that statement is an assumption that this downturn due to changes in trade will lead to a poorer nation.
How is taking money from productive areas to redistribute it to unproductive areas going to lead to prosperity, exactly?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:56 pm to Jjdoc
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That is exactly what you advocate
No. You're creating a strawman, as if your brand.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:57 pm to Jjdoc
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Moron.
This conversation is clearly beyond your capabilities
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I said all
I gave you a good list to start with and you couldn’t even discuss them.
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We never really had this to lose it. Not the current advanced chip.
This is a lie and anyone with a brain (obviously you don’t) can easily see it. At the start of the computer age all the best/advanced chips were made in NoCal (thus the reason it was nicknamed Silicon Valley). Those advance chips would never been made had it not been for that development and they could still make them there.
This post was edited on 4/6/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:57 pm to stuntman
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Define capitalism for us, Jjdoc.
No need. I am a pro constitutional voter. In our form of gov, it has a role in commerce like it or not.
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Populists want more manufacturing in America through coercive measures. Where's that part in the Constitution
I just quoted it for you.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:57 pm to RiverCityTider
US citizens being addicted to cheap foreign goods did not do it any favors. We need to reevaluate what we actually need to be buying for ourselves and our families. This is a country mostly full of people who want a house full of "stuff" as George Carlin would put it. That is not where we should be headed as a country.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Man wrong on Trump for nearly a decade now claims he is right. Source trust me bro
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:59 pm to Figgy
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Seriously. He’s pretty much there. Frick that shite.
He's not the only one
They've already embraced Mike Bloomberg nanny statism that has been rebranded as MAHA and now they have embraced Bernie Sanders fiscal policy
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