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re: Capitalists & Politicians raped USA & left it unable to make medicine or defend itself.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:37 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:37 pm to Jjdoc
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You are arguing for a different type of Gov.
I'm arguing for the proper used of words. Blaming something that isn't to blame and using terms/words that aren't clearly defined and understood causes so much fricking strife in society.
I'm w/ Prager when he says "I prefer clarity over agreement". If we don't even use words properly, how the hell can ideas/policies actually be discussed clearly?
The point I'm making to you and people like you is just the destruction of the word capitalism. Protectionism =/= capitalism. Cronyism =/= capitalism.
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:37 pm to the808bass
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Anytime you put a list like this together, companies will want to get their shite on the list. And without a legitimate security interest for their product, it’s just corporate welfare.
Exactly, and you described it correctly, it's going to be "welfare" not "tariffs".
The legitimate products in this "national security" group will be subsidized by the American public (similar to our actual military). Just like Biden's CHIPS plan.
The "national security" discussion is really a completely separate one from the tariff discussion, but people like JJ will never understand why b/c they want to yell "infrastructure"
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:38 pm to the808bass
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No, it hasn’t.
Who has it been bad for? Legit asking.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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There will be good arguments to subsidize SOME things for national security.
For discussion purposes, the problem is the bait and switch and "Slippery slope" aspects. It has become "infrastructure" for many.
Everything can be a slippery slope.
Even in our quest for globalization. We slipped down a massive slippery slope in critical needs.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:41 pm to Jjdoc
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Everything can be a slippery slope.
Not shocking that you don't even understand what's being discussed
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:41 pm to Jjdoc
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Does the gov, per our constitution have a role or not.
We're talking past each other. The Constitution has literally nothing to do w/ what I'm saying. I'm talking about the term "capitalism". Populists and Leftists have totally fricking destroyed the actual meaning of the word, which makes it more likely that people like you will want to blame the wrong people for the bad things you see going on in society.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:45 pm to stuntman
Read David Autor, professor of economics at MIT.
Basically the whole heartland. The promised higher paying jobs of "free trade" never happened. They were replaced by retail and box store jobs.
And it didn't have to be that way.
Basically the whole heartland. The promised higher paying jobs of "free trade" never happened. They were replaced by retail and box store jobs.
And it didn't have to be that way.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:45 pm to RiverCityTider
So what eco system do you recommend. Sounds like China is your speed.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:45 pm to Ten Bears
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How many steps away are some off yall from pulling the veil back and going full commie?
A whole lot closer than they think they are or would ever believe they are.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:45 pm to RiverCityTider
I've skimmed the thread in the bottom line is there's one seriously warped fricking definition of the word capitalism being applied in the original post.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:46 pm to Jjdoc
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Basically the whole heartland. The promised higher paying jobs of "free trade" never happened.
Did you know there are currently over 400k open manufacturing jobs in America?
Like how you think America is not a manufacturing powerhouse, you likely didn't know that.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:46 pm to Jjdoc
You talking about NAFTA? What if I told you those jobs were being "lost" at the same rate before NAFTA as after?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:47 pm to stuntman
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The Constitution has literally nothing to do w/ what I'm saying. I'm talking about the term "capitalism". Populists and Leftists have totally fricking destroyed the actual meaning of the word, which makes it more likely that people like you will want to blame the wrong people for the bad things you see going on in society.
The constitution has everything to do with it. It gives us our economic system.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:48 pm to Jjdoc
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The constitution has everything to do with it. It gives us our economic system.
No it doesn't
Go back to X. You're not ready for real discussions.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:48 pm to Jjdoc
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The constitution has everything to do with it. It gives us our economic system.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did you know there are currently over 400k open manufacturing jobs in America?
Argue with 808 or David Autor.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:49 pm to Jjdoc
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The constitution has everything to do with it. It gives us our economic system.
Is our economic system capitalism?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:50 pm to Tandemjay
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It wasn't the USA, as a whole that got raped, it was Main Street
When the entire nation depends upon an enemy for some of our basic needs, the USA is being raped.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:50 pm to Jjdoc
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Argue with 808 or David Autor.
I'm educating you, since you need so much help
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There were 462,000 manufacturing job openings in January, up from a revised 431,000 in December. Durable goods job openings led the overall increase, rising to 317,000 in January from a revised 291,000 in December. Nondurable goods openings ticked up from 140,000 to 144,000 in January. The labor market has eased close to pre-pandemic (2017–2019) levels, when the average number of openings in the sector was 432,000, in contrast with the average of 832,500 between 2021 and 2023.
There are plenty of manufacturing jobs in the US
Posted on 4/6/25 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Did it establish a framework that facilitates its development by guaranteeing private property rights, encouraging free trade, and creating a stable legal system for contract enforcement, all of which are crucial for a market economy?
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