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re: Biden cracks down on diesel trucks in bid to fight climate change, reduce emissions

Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:21 am to
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13598 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:21 am to
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I hope that if Trump wins he announces a suspension of all of this bullshite during his inaugural address, pending final determination after 90 days as required by the APA.


And impose similar unrealistic rules for EV. Such as 1000 miles between charges. And ability to fully charge the batteries in one hour with 120v connection.
Posted by bizeagle
Member since May 2020
1168 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:36 am to
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I'm hoping I didn't miss it, but this isn't targeting smaller personal use diesels is it? They run cleaner than gas vehicles.
The point is that diesel engines of any size are the most practical, efficient and least polluting energy source for transportation. It is a simple math exercise, diesel produces far more energy and does for more work per volume than any viable alternative. Gasoline, LPG, CNG, electric, it doesn't matter. Nothing else comes close.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17925 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:19 pm to
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The Biden Administration: fighting inflation by creating higher costs

And restricting output.
Posted by AgSGT
Dixon, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1648 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:20 pm to
Oh I completely understand where you are coming from, hence the reason I'm buying the GMC you mentioned earlier. I was just wondering if the article was only talking about tractor trailers and what not or if they are targeting all diesel vehicles
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
72122 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:33 pm to
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Such as 1000 miles between charges.


...while towing a big arse trailer.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99155 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:45 pm to
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If only that container ship had been electric...


If only all of our government was on that bridge.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
10348 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 12:58 pm to
They want sails back on ships
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 2:30 pm to
And 1800kW ain't shite either.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5997 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 1:31 am to
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forcing a larger number of trucks and buses to be zero-emissions in that time frame.


This will actually succeed in the "zero emissions" department as it will pull a bunch of trucks off the highway and do nothing but hurt Americans.

This seems like stopping too short though. why don't they make car manufacturers sell all cars for 200 bucks and get 9000 miles to the gallon?
Posted by CMBears1259
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
4030 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 3:15 am to
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The energy content in Diesel fuel is so far superior to alternatives that there should be no argument. Sure diesel smells rough but the efficiency is fantastic. GMC has a 3.0 liter Turbo diesel 1/2 ton pickup that gets in the mid-30s MPG


Never owned a diesel truck, but did have a 2015 diesel Volkswagen Passat (miss the hell out of that thing :banghead ). Great car that got about 46 miles per gallon.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25045 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 4:27 am to
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On July 26 2023, COSCO Shipping launched a 700TEU electric container vessel at COSCO Shipping’s No.1 Heavy Industry Shipyard at Yangzhou. The 120 meter long ship has a fully electric drive with 1,800 [kW] of total installed power. It is able to swap battery packs en route, enabling it to covering over 600 nautical miles of routes on the Yangtze River fully electrically without having to moor and recharge.



For those who don’t know, 700 TEU capacity is essentially a large barge.

The Dali, at 10,000 TEU, is considered small in the shipping industry whereas new vessels, especially on the Asia-Euro lanes, are usually 20,000 TEU+.

There is an economy of scale in shipping. The larger the vessel, the less CO2 emissions per box for ocean passage.

Electric ain’t it for these large vessels. LNG, alternative fuels, low-sulphur fuels, and hybrid drive systems are the way to go. Fuel, or bunker, is the largest cost for steamship lines. Efficiency increases of even 1% could mean savings of millions of dollars, and billions of gallons of fuel.

I can’t imagine the immense added weight a vessel would take on for a battery big enough to power it from Shanghai to Los Angeles. The increased draft alone would likely be a problem at multiple US terminals. Our facilities are lacking compared Asian and European terminals.

That’s not even considering the eye watering cost of a battery that size. A container vessel has a life span of up to 30 years, so that’s at least one, likely two new massive batteries each would need. Where are these large vessels going to charge? Marine terminals are like airplanes at airport gates: get the vessels in, complete the import/export ops cycles and get them out as soon as possible. Just like steamship lines don’t have the money needed to invest in those large batteries, terminals don’t have the land or money to provide charging infrastructure. If a vessel sits unusable for many hours to charge, who pays increased rates to cover that cost? Consumers of course.

Even as it relates to terminal ops equipment like the tractors (used to move individual containers within the terminals) there are currently electric options available, but they cost 4x as much as their diesel counterparts, the charging infrastructure needed to charge them is also very expensive and take up valuable terminal space, and you lose use of them for hours on end while they charge — none of that being an issue with the diesel tractors.

All that to say: if the Biden administration starts putting its green tyranny crosshairs on the maritime shipping industry, it won’t be greener and it will be an economic disaster for the US and the US consumer.

Let the steamship lines continue to innovate R&D on better fuels, engine and hull designs to increase efficiency. We sincerely don’t need a create nothing group of bureaucrats getting in the way.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10455 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 5:35 am to
Good, informative post

Posted by interdesting
Member since Dec 2020
191 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:43 am to
I think all government officials should have to fly on electric airplanes. Now, that would be an amazing reduction in carbon emissions (and stupidity).
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68038 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:53 am to
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Electric ain’t it for these large vessels.



They want to go back to sails.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10851 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:01 am to
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They want to go back to sails.
its worse than that. they actually think this is an emerging technology. They should look up the definition of doldrums
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 8:02 am
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32104 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:07 am to
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GMC has a 3.0 liter Turbo diesel 1/2 ton pickup that gets in the mid-30s MPG and can tow 10,000 lbs.


And will probably be illegal for GMC to sell by 2028.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 8:07 am
Posted by Paytonisablowhard
Member since Feb 2024
164 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:12 am to
Biden needs to start with himself in making a difference in climate change, the white House can only use biodegradable diapers, diaper bags and wipes for Biden. That should be equivalent emissions to a few thousand 18 wheelers
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 8:13 am
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
6926 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:17 am to
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White House Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi. "By tackling pollution from heavy-duty vehicles, we can unlock extraordinary public health, climate, and economic gains."

How does this policy lead to economic gains? That’s absurd. Actually all of it is, but economic gains?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25156 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:23 am to
Trump is going to have to dedicate a sizable number of motivated and qualified people simply to undo everything this idiot usurper has been doing for four years.
Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4969 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 8:40 am to
Yuge case was argued before the SCOTUS back in January of this year.

The so-called 'Chevron Doctrine' have been used for decades by unelected, unaccountable, useless bureaucrats to cripple our country.

If the SCOTUS overturns Chevron, it would be a tremendous boost to bringing in an over-bearing federal bureaucracy.

The so-called 'Chevron Doctrine' has been twisted by the left to give all these alphabet agencies tremendous power over the US and our economy.

Many of these clowns who are making tremendous decisions are unelected and unaccountable useless corrupt-crats.

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It has been nearly 40 years since the Supreme Court indicated in Chevron v. Natural Resources Defense Council that courts should defer to an agency’s reasonable interpretation of an ambiguous statute. After more than three-and-a-half hours of oral argument on Wednesday, it seemed unlikely that the rule outlined in that case, known as the Chevron doctrine, will survive in its current form. A majority of the justices seemed ready to jettison the doctrine or at the very least significantly limit it.

The court’s ruling could have ripple effects across the federal government, where agencies frequently use highly trained experts to interpret and implement federal laws. Although the doctrine was relatively noncontroversial when it was first introduced in 1984, in recent years conservatives – including some members of the Supreme Court – have called for it to be overruled.


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