re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

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Give me some specific example, because I certainly can't think of one.

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If I take him at his word (prior, at least) that he's a Christian, then he blasphemes the name of Christ by his poor words and behavior, acting infantile with how he interacts with people and how he communicates. Specifically he blasphemes literally by taking God's name in vain. I've heard him do that in the past and I'm not sure if he's done it more recently but I'd be curious if someone has seen all of his recent speeches and has NOT heard him do this.

Trump blasted for blasphemy

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Let me ask you something else, when the first assassination attempt happened and Trump turned his head a fraction of a second before the first shot was fired, did you not see that as divine intervention? Because I'm far from a hardcore believer, but even when I saw that, I had no answer other than divine intervention. Seems to be that the big man has plans for Trump and spared him for a purpose. Trump has echoed these thoughts and feelings, stating multiple times( and seeming very sincere) that he has been thinking deeply about these things since that day.

So do you not believe Trump can find redemption and be on the path to growing his relationship with God?

Or do you not believe that God saved him that day for a purpose?

Or do you just choose to ignore miracles when they happen in front of your eyes?

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I'm not governed by apparent miracles but those confirmed miracles in God's word that testify to the truth of Christ and Him crucified.

I do believe that God is sovereign over all affairs of men and that includes what happened to Trump that day. Perhaps Trump will use him in some great ways as President if he's elected, however my beliefs and actions are not based on how I interpret certain events like that.

Regarding whether Trump can find redemption: of course! No one is too far gone to be saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ. I hope and pray that God will save Trump if He hasn't already and that such a salvation will be manifested itself with consistent fruit of good works.

I'm not anti-Trump but I am pro-Jesus Christ.

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It seems dubious to me.

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It’s totally bullshite.

Backward, Christian soldiers, running away from war,
With the cross of Jesus going on behind...

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I'm not fine with it at all. I hate it. I just can't continue to use that as a justification for continuing to vote for candidates that do not honor Christ as Lord and seek to govern according to biblical principles, even if there are some good things that the candidate might do otherwise.

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You can choose to vote against these things. It is the one mechanism you actually have to stop them. If you’re ok knowing that these things may continue to happen because you chose not to act when you had the chance, there’s no helping you. I would go so far as to say that you were complicit.

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an idiot

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I don't think so, champ.

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not worth conversing with

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Thanks for doing me the solid. Now stop replying to my comments.

I will pray for you to change your mind, but you have to do what you feel is God’s will.

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That’s fair. But, another way to look at is… the devil is running around this country and destroying everything this country was about. That’s under Biden. It will be MUCH MUCH worse with Kamala. Do you really want to see more aborted babies, LGBTQ garbage and more transgender garbage? It’s going to happen if she gets in. You might not like Trump, but you gotta rescue this country that you love. Trump will at least keep us safe from a world war.
And if you don’t like Trump, do it for Vance

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I've said what I wish to say on this so I'll bow out unless there's a question or concern that I haven't covered yet.

Foo, I deeply and genuinely admire your devotion to Christ and the mission to bring others to salvation. I am a Christian and my wife and I are doing our best to raise our three girls to have faith in Christ as the savior. I am far from perfect and wish I could be better, and your posts actually give me motivation. I mean that.

However, I respectfully disagree with taking a neutral stance this election. Those same three daughters I am trying to raise to be Christ-like are the reason I will fight, claw and die to defend, and I refuse to allow the ways of the vile left dictate the world they grow up in.

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Foo, I deeply and genuinely admire your devotion to Christ and the mission to bring others to salvation. I am a Christian and my wife and I are doing our best to raise our three girls to have faith in Christ as the savior. I am far from perfect and wish I could be better, and your posts actually give me motivation. I mean that.

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Thank you, brother, and praise God for that!

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However, I respectfully disagree with taking a neutral stance this election. Those same three daughters I am trying to raise to be Christ-like are the reason I will fight, claw and die to defend, and I refuse to allow the ways of the vile left dictate the world they grow up in.

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I don't blame you for this; do what you believe must be done in this regard and I'll pray that God blesses you and your family

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I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.

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Perfection? Lukewarm? Neither is a good look. Not supporting some semblance of good is tacitly supporting some evil.

Why not vote and pray for conversion or at least pray for God to touch their heart and soul while governing?

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I'm not looking for perfection but you have to admit that politics these days doesn't really favor those with Christian moral principles.

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So the answer is to run away from it?

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Even Trump--who I actually hope wins--doesn't have a consistent view of abortion. It's politically-motivated, not motivated by Scripture.

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But he will move the conversation a few steps in the right direction. Why is that not good enough?