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re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:15 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:15 pm to
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How about you vote against the side trying to attack Christ?
I have done that plenty of times, but I have to stop merely voting against lesser evils and start voting for those who actually want to honor Christ in their governance.

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You people that think you are somehow righteous for not voting based on what you just said are morons.
The only righteousness I have is alien to me. I am righteous only in that I have Christ's righteousness imputed to me through faith. I am not good, righteous, or holy in and of myself. I'm a worm and deserving of nothing but God's judgement. That's why I need a savior.

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God grants you the right to vote, so you turn around and allow the Government to supersede that God given right.
God grants me the right to vote according to my conscience and that's what I'm doing.

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Get the frick out to the polls and do your fricking job.
I will be. There are a few different sate and local propositions on the ballot that I am compelled by my Christian principles to vote against. I'll be there
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15298 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:17 pm to
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Fair enough. Everyone has to do what they think is right.


unless Harris wins, then it is the camps for him
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56808 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:18 pm to
This is just prep for the steal. Instead of adding votes to Kamala this election like they did for Biden they are going to remove votes from Trump. They just need to get the people thinking in this manner so they will buy it when the results come in and he only has about 65 million and she get a little more.

Notice the number is huge. Do people really believe that Christians are going to sit out perhaps the most important election in the history of the US?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
71229 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:18 pm to
Are we assuming these are all conservative whites? Blacks and Hispanics are pretty damn Christian.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:19 pm to
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God was in control when millions of people died in both World Wars and countless other conflicts and political/religious persecutions throughout history. Simply because he allows events to take their course doesn’t mean he endorses the actions it took to get there.
Yes, God is sovereign and man is responsible.

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Again, God gave you a brain to use. So, one day in the future if you are sitting in a gulag or prison camp and you got there for standing up for Christ then you should rejoice. Otherwise, you are simply there due to inaction which was not God’s will.
I find it hard to believe that I'll end up in a gulag or prison camp for anything other than standing up for Christ, but regardless of how that happens, if it does, then it will be God's sovereign will that that happens to me. This is not my home. I've got 70-80 years on this earth, probably, but I've got an eternity waiting for me in Heaven. I need to honor Christ first and foremost.

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If you really believed what you are espousing then you would be campaigning for Christian candidates and donating to them which is why I don’t believe you
I'd love to support Christian candidates. I haven't had the time or money to do so this year with priorities that go beyond politics.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:21 pm to
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God, why are we being so prosecuted now? Why is abortion so rampant? Why are they getting their way in everything now?

"Well, my child, I gave you an election to vote in. You chose to not vote at all."
Sorry but that's quite the simplistic hypothetical answer. Abortion isn't rampant and Christians aren't being persecuted because of voting tendencies, but because judgement has come upon our nation for our rejection of God and Christ as King. We, as a nation, have rejected God and now we are receiving the consequences of that. Voting for a secular political candidate isn't going to save us as a nation. We need to commit to the principles that I'm espousing and then perhaps God will show mercy to us.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:25 pm to
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By doing what? What was different about them in 2004?
In 2004, abortion was still an important issue that represented the moral status of this nation. Homosexual marriage was an issue that was still fought against.

The social structures of this nation have been attacked or destroyed for decades, but where the GOP once stood firm, they are absent.

This board is a perfect example of it: for the past year or more, "conservatives" have been abandoning the fight against abortion, saying it's a political loser. Whether it is a "loser" or not, it represents the mentality of the political right at this time: abandon principles for votes. Christianity doesn't work that way, so Christians are becoming more and more of a liability to the GOP.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:27 pm to
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Baws sitting around praying and waiting on Jesus to come back to fix shite is what’s gotten us in this shitty situation. Grow some balls and do something baw.
Thinking that what we need is a political savior in this country is what has gotten us into this situation.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25907 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:28 pm to
Our small rural Catholic Church damn sure isn’t sitting anything out. It’s been made pretty clear to the parishioners that the ideology of the Democrat party is a total contradiction to Catholic beliefs and is an assault on the faith.
I also don’t know of any gun owners that are sitting it out I am not sure where those people are but I haven’t met any.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55769 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:28 pm to
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Yes please. I welcome advice and correction where appropriate


I think I recall in the OT book of Isaiah where the Creator said something to the effect, "Come, let us reason together."

Maybe there's a reason beyond your original thought of posting your intentions of not voting this election cycle, maybe some spiritual wisdom and discernment is being made apparent and available in this thread to help you reconsider your personal conviction about not voting for the lesser of two evils.

I too know how this fallen world ends. I too believe in my heart and soul that Jesus Christ will make His triumphant return and establish His 1000 year reign of righteousness before the creation of a new heaven and earth and those who have truly done evil in their hearts and in their works without repentance will be harshly and rightly judged.

Until this ^^^^ occurs, my Lord, my God has given me free will and the mental capacity to take in the pertinent information and make prudent decisions. I think it's very important for Christians at this critical time in US history to pray fervently for wisdom, knowledge and discernment in order to understand what role they should be exercising in the political realm.

There are two imperfect and extremely flawed candidates running for the most powerful political position in the world, one is wholly unqualified to be the leader of Western Judeo/Christian society and the other has a proven record of peace and prosperity.

Come.....let us reason.

Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:29 pm to
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You 100% are.
Just saying I am doesn't mean I am. It's also not taking me at my word that I'm not supporting it.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:30 pm to
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If you can't get up the motivation to go vote for Trump can you at at least encourage others in your family/friends circle to do so?
I have told my wife that I would understand if she voted for Trump. I'm not encouraging her or anyone else to vote for him as that truly would be hypocritical of me.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:31 pm to
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He is the same person that watches a child get sexually abused and does nothing about it but pray God will help. He is worse than the sexual abuser
That's quite the dramatic statement and not true at all.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:32 pm to
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This is why I make it a practice to not pretend I have any ability to peer inside the souls of elected officials (or those running for office), and simply look at what they say they are going to do, and more importantly, what they actually do as public servants, outside of and apart from any purported professions of faith.
I think a public commitment to Christ is important. We can then judge that commitment based on the actions of that person.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28161 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:32 pm to
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How do they come up with that number?


Bend over.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98283 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:34 pm to
Yet they will complain about abortion on here all day
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11397 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:35 pm to
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Why not say that God sent me Harris to vote for?


Do you, as a Christian, really not know the answer to this question or are you just throwing out anything you can to pretend that Trump hasn't been the most Christian-friendly president we've had in decades?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:35 pm to
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You see this is where you lose me. It sounds to me like you want someone else to vote for you so that you will be relieved if Trump wins. This way you can say you took the moral high ground. No respect I have for you.
God used Cyrus as a blessing to Israel, but Cyrus was not a good and godly man and king. It would have been unthinkable for a Jew to support such a man, and yet again, God used him for good and I'm sure the Jews were thankful and relieved when Cyrus' decree was made.

Likewise, I can be thankful for God's mercies all while not supporting the people that God uses for those mercies.

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Well I'm a Christian. I will sin for you so that you don't have to. That way you can be relieved.
I care more about your soul than your political opinions. Don't sin on my behalf. Care for Christ's honor first.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
25612 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:37 pm to
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You are just like Trump. A thin skinned pussy.
boy you know you have TDS bad when you call Trump a pussy. That man doesn’t take shite from anybody to a fault.

Trump is 80 yo and I’d put my own money on him kicking your soy arse
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:41 pm to
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I dispute your interpretation of Romans Chapter 14 as the definition of sin, yes I do and so does the rest of the Bible.
I didn't say Romans 14 is "the definition of sin". I agree with the Westminster Shorter Catechism which says, "Sin is any want of conformity unto, or transgression of, the law of God."

However, we can sin by acting against conscience in doing something we believe is wrong to do. That's what Rom. 14 is getting at.

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I am beginning to wonder if you know anything about the Bible other than a Google search.
I could always be more knowledgeable of the Scriptures.

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Bent out of shape? Lol, hardly but I do find it comical how little most American Christians are willing to do for Christ including preventing your own country from going down the drain which includes the very difficult task of waiting in line for 15 minutes. If the Twelve Apostles had been chosen from Americans, I am not sure they could be bothered with leaving the house. It is sad to see a nation that once was founded on some what Christian ideals drift into societal decay due to voter apathy like yourself
You think it's merely voter apathy that is driving my position here? Perhaps you haven't been reading all the posts you've been responding to.
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