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re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:42 pm to
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Candidly, I think you've said about all you can here.

You can't/shouldn't expect people to come around to a practical appreciation for a spiritual decision, IMO
I agree. I'm not responding for my sake at this point. I know that most people are not going to agree with me. I just don't want to be misrepresented.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:47 pm to
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But you are effectively contributing to the reduction in freedom for those that spread the Word.
I don't think I am, but if I am, it's for a greater good as I see it. My first allegiance is to Jesus Christ, not to my own freedoms or the freedom of others to spread the Word. I am not called on to save the world just like Trump isn't. God is the one who is sovereign over the affairs of men and we are called to live lives consistent with the salvation that He has given us in Christ. As Jesus, Himself, said: "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"

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Which candidate us the enemy of the Lord?
In some sense, they both are. Harris also claims to be a Christian, yet both she and Trump are entirely secular in their politics and act according to the will of the people (or their own will) rather than the will of God.

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Trump's Court appointments ended Roe v Wade. That's more accomplished than any pastor who meets your approval.
It depends what you see as an accomplishment. While the government can save lives, they do not save souls. I think it's more of an accomplishment for a pastor to preach the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ to dying men and women than for a government to save the lives of people who they then send to Hell through pushing secular humanism.

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You seem to be the main character in the Drowning Man Parable.

"God uses crooked sticks to draw straight lines."
God certainly does, but it doesn't mean we should be seeking out crooked sticks to be our leaders.
Posted by CatsGoneWild
Pigeon forge, Tennessee
Member since Jan 2008
15098 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:49 pm to
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. I, personally, cannot vote in good faith for someone who does not give honor to Christ as King and therefore it would be sin for me to proceed to do so

How does he not give glory to Jesus and God? He stood up for Christians in his four years of president. He admits That the Lord Spared his life on the assassination attempt. He has people praying for him. He has Christians speak for him and or sing At his events. He’s not a perfect Christian, nobody is. But the other side is pure evil. If you don’t vote, basically you are Voting for Harris
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 2:50 pm
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
28161 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:50 pm to
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. I, personally, cannot vote in good faith for someone who does not give honor to Christ as King and therefore it would be sin for me to proceed to do so.


Who in the world did you vote for prior to 2016? No one has fit that standard my who life.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31700 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:51 pm to
Those 32 million people think they're Christian...
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:52 pm to
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Not to disparage a fellow brother in Christ, but you’d not be able to support King David using your standard. He was an adulterer and an a murderer. Moses was a murderer. Peter denied Christ three times. They were mortals as fallible as both you and I. Just remember King Cyrus, he was far from a Godly man. He was used by God.
King David was a sinner, certainly, but he was repentant. If Trump came out tomorrow and said he recognizes his sinful lifestyle throughout his life, was sorrowful for his sin against God, and said he seeks to honor Christ above all else, I would vote for him.

Like I said, I'm not seeking a "perfect" candidate, just one that has a sincere reliance upon the grace of God through Jesus Christ and lives a life consistent with that profession, including repenting for sin that he commits.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 3:43 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:54 pm to
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Someone has never read the book of James or Acts, it’s the all I need is faith Gospel. The demons believe in God
I don't want to turn this into a discussion about works-righteousness, but I'll just say that I believe that James is not saying something contrary to Paul who said salvation is by faith and not works. James is speaking of a false faith that is merely intellectual, as the demons have. Saving faith trusts on Christ for salvation like a person jumping out of an airplane trusts in his parachute. Such a faith produces good works because works are an evidence of such faith, as Christ said regarding trees and fruits.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:56 pm to
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If true I pray you and the people like you suffer the most under Kamala

I sincerely hope that before anyone else loses a thing you lose all you have
Is it necessary to actually wish evil on me for my position?

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. -Romans 12:17-21
Posted by Rex Feral
Somewhere near Athens
Member since Jan 2014
16626 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 2:57 pm to
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You SHOULD blame him for making an absolutely foolish decision. And YOU are a fool, too, if you think that Foo's decision to not vote is "reasonable".

Do you also think that the Earth is roughly 6,000 years old? Do you think it is "reasonable" to believe that, because Foo believes that.


Calm down. You're no better than some libtard who hates conservative black people. And yes, the earth is 6,000 years old.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:01 pm to
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There are two imperfect and extremely flawed candidates running for the most powerful political position in the world, one is wholly unqualified to be the leader of Western Judeo/Christian society and the other has a proven record of peace and prosperity.
I agree. I implore you to vote according to your conscience on this matter. Thank you again for your kind response
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
12240 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:01 pm to
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And yes, the earth is 6,000 years old.




This is how I know someone is an idiot and not worth conversing with.
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1703 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:03 pm to
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Does this include the modern day churches where abortion is somehow sactioned by God?


Barna tends to poll more among Evangelicals.

Huckabee claims the number is around 40M.


I seem to think that Republicans and Christians are less likely to respond to anonymous polls. On the other hand, if you were having a conversation with him or her, I believe they would gladly give you their political opinion and religious facts.
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
3164 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:04 pm to
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along with other ways he blasphemes Christ with his words and actions.


Give me some specific example, because I certainly can't think of one.

Let me ask you something else, when the first assassination attempt happened and Trump turned his head a fraction of a second before the first shot was fired, did you not see that as divine intervention? Because I'm far from a hardcore believer, but even when I saw that, I had no answer other than divine intervention. Seems to be that the big man has plans for Trump and spared him for a purpose. Trump has echoed these thoughts and feelings, stating multiple times( and seeming very sincere) that he has been thinking deeply about these things since that day.

So do you not believe Trump can find redemption and be on the path to growing his relationship with God?

Or do you not believe that God saved him that day for a purpose?

Or do you just choose to ignore miracles when they happen in front of your eyes?
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63430 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Does this include the modern day churches where abortion is somehow sactioned by God?


Unitarians, Methodists, Episcopalians, and certain Lutheran Synods or black church congregations who don't want to vote for Kamala? We need more information on this one. I'm sure the former is all-in for Harris/Walz, the latter not so much.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:05 pm to
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Do you, as a Christian, really not know the answer to this question or are you just throwing out anything you can to pretend that Trump hasn't been the most Christian-friendly president we've had in decades?

I don't think it's appropriate to say that there is a candidate, therefore God wants me to vote for him. I'm seeking to use biblical wisdom to determine how I act in accordance to my commitment to Christ and His kingdom above that of Trump and the USA.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me and I'm fine with that. I just want to clarify what I am and am not saying.
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
3681 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:06 pm to
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Is it necessary to actually wish evil on me for my position?


I don't wish evil on you, just that you and those that think like you on this bear the consequences

What's evil about that?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:11 pm to
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How does he not give glory to Jesus and God?
He's been given many specific opportunities to share his personal testimony and to give glory to God and yet he consistently dodges and talks generally about God and faith. If not for a few comments over the years, I would assume he's merely a Deist rather than a Christian.

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He stood up for Christians in his four years of president.
He has, and he has stood up for LGBTQ+ groups.

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He admits That the Lord Spared his life on the assassination attempt.
He has, which is good, but it doesn't seem to be reflected in his speech and actions since.

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He has people praying for him. He has Christians speak for him and or sing At his events.
He does and he plays vulgar music at his events, too. I don't know his heart, but his actions seem no different than an nominal Christian who has no personal faith in Christ but uses religious talk to garner votes.

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He’s not a perfect Christian, nobody is. But the other side is pure evil. If you don’t vote, basically you are Voting for Harris
Again, not giving my endorsement to Trump is not an endorsement for Harris.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:13 pm to
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Who in the world did you vote for prior to 2016? No one has fit that standard my who life.
My change of convictions on this matter are recent within the last few years.

Prior to this election, I voted for Trump, Trump, Romney, and McCain as the most recent candidates, and I could not vote for Romney or McCain again if both were still alive and running again.
Posted by LSU Jax
Gator Country Hell
Member since Sep 2006
10687 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:17 pm to
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I'll be sitting this one out this year. As much as I do hope Trump wins over Harris, I can't give my endorsement to anyone who doesn't seek Christ's kingdom and seeks to govern for His glory above all else.

I’m sure you’re a better Christian than me but this is fricking STUPID!!!

“Donald Trump isn’t a good Christian like me so I can’t go vote against the party that is in favor of true evil such as mutilating ten-year-old children and telling them that they can be whatever gender they want to be regardless of how God created them”.

You’re a ridiculous person.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
73769 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 3:19 pm to
This seems made up. This isn't like the first or second time around.
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