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re: As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:06 pm to weagle99
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:06 pm to weagle99
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So then the question becomes: In the real world, in American society, can it ever be used correctly?
Define "correctly".
Humans are imperfect. Thus, by nature there will NEVER be a perfect system of government. However, in what is arguably the most diverse nation that has ever existed in the course of human history, capitalism (generally speaking) has, far and away, been the most effective form system of government during that time.
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Because we have to maximize profits by selling garbage food with corn syrup, etc.
The "garbage food" isn't the reason for obesity. It's the change in lifestyle. You could have "garbage food" and corn syrup in the 1800's and you still wouldn't have the obesity problem you have now. Likewise, even if you eliminated "garbage food" and corn syrup tomorrow you would STILL have an obesity problem. Eating a shite ton of cane sugar, or grains, or anything else while simultaneously getting little to no exercise will make you just as obese.
If there were a better economic system it would already exist. Of course "better" is a nebulous term with a different meaning to everyone. But all one has to do is look at the "poor" in countries with different economic/government ideologies. The poor in many places struggle to find water and are left eating dirt. The "poor" in the US have freaking cellular phones.
Capitalism isn't perfect. It never will be. But it is the engine that has driven America to superpower status.
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Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:07 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Ah yes, the ole no true Scotsman.
No. Capitalism has a definition, and bribing politicians or getting preferential treatment from them isn’t in that definition.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:08 pm to weagle99
Are you a fricking moron?
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:08 pm to Arch of Titus
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You MUST have a State, representing the people as a whole,
The State NEVER represents the people. The State represents the State. It's goal is always to grow itself and enslave the people. The Founders knew this from history and tried to hinder the State as much as possible.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:09 pm to weagle99
Crony capitalism isn't the best approach. Lobbying should be a felony. Making corporations basically people was absolutely idiotic too.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:09 pm to Zach
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The State NEVER represents the people
Not with that attitude
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:10 pm to weagle99
We fox t have capitalism we have cornet capitalism and that is what has us where we are today. We are swimming in corruption and our government and their friends are stealing money from the American taxpayers.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:12 pm to weagle99
The premise of this question is wrong.
The answer in any case, is the fallen state of man.
Give man any realm of control in any context which excludes a morally perfect and righteous God - whether it be Government, a corporation or family, and corruption and/or betrayal will eventually creep in followed by its ultimate demise.
The answer in any case, is the fallen state of man.
Give man any realm of control in any context which excludes a morally perfect and righteous God - whether it be Government, a corporation or family, and corruption and/or betrayal will eventually creep in followed by its ultimate demise.
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If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is contrary to you, but you must rule over it. -Genesis 4:7
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:16 pm to Revelator
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No. Capitalism has a definition, and bribing politicians or getting preferential treatment from them isn’t in that definition.
There's an awful lot of wiggle room in the definition.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:21 pm to weagle99
Your underlying argument is one against freedom, just FYI
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your underlying argument is one against freedom, just FYI
Freedom doesn't mean the freedom to have pride parades and drag queen story time.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:25 pm to weagle99
quote:Evaluate this - capitalism accelerates innovation, capitalism reduces prices of things and (as a result of the first two things happening) makes things more accessible to consumers.
Just taking a step back to evaluate my beliefs
Free markets also accompany capitalism, which empowers consumers to vote with their dollars in real time, as opposed to being under the yoke of governmental bureaucracy. FMs also spur innovation and can lower prices through the development of competitive products.
Can another economic system provide those things?
Not sure why that needs reevaluation.
This post was edited on 10/17/22 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:25 pm to Zach
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Capitalism is based on human nature.
I'm not a big fan of some of the wall street rules, but unless you're a needy bastard, nothing beats options and voluntary choices.
Needy bastards prefer a government monopoly on goods and services, where they have the illusion of control via the vote.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:26 pm to weagle99
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As I get older I start to wonder if Capitalism is really the best approach
Stop wondering, because it is.
You may be looking for the perfect approach as opposed to the best, but the perfect approach doesn’t exist.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:29 pm to Arch of Titus
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Freedom doesn't mean the freedom to have pride parades and drag queen story time.
It does, but that isn't the point of OP. Why you went with THAT diversion is a mystery
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:31 pm to weagle99
The issue isn't capitalism itself, it is how regulation of it determines winners, losers and impacts costs. Without capitalism, you don't get innovation. Without innovation from within a capitalistic society, we are stuck in mud huts.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:31 pm to m2pro
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Capitalism is just an economic engine. It is, indeed, the best engine to minimize poverty and generate wealth in a fair and balanced way that we have yet devised.
Great answer
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your underlying argument is one against freedom, just FYI
Yeah, he's pitting aesthetics vs. moral choices...
Echoes the Tailor's justification
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:36 pm to weagle99
Real capitalism has never been tried
America has slaveryism where I work like 80 hours a week and everybody else gets food stamps
Y’all better hope I don’t get sick or something
America has slaveryism where I work like 80 hours a week and everybody else gets food stamps
Y’all better hope I don’t get sick or something
Posted on 10/17/22 at 12:39 pm to HubbaBubba
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it is how regulation of it determines winners, losers and impacts costs
True. Cronyism being the primary issue.
Any system that allows you more leeway in determining your own future is the system I want to use. I don't give a shite if it "doesn't work for everyone."
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