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re: Are these quotes from MAGA, Bernie Sanders, Obama, or AOC?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:07 pm to Powerman
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:07 pm to Powerman
Yep. A strong middle class maintains a vibrant economy long term.
A lot of Trump voters on this board seem to think that the working poor must have some sort of character flaw.
A lot of Trump voters on this board seem to think that the working poor must have some sort of character flaw.
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:07 pm to texag7
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McDonald’s workers are not more productive whatsoever.
Yes, they are.
They are more productive and more efficient.
The definition of which means the ratio of the cost of their labor to the profit they produce.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:08 pm to wackatimesthree
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wackatimesthree
Just shut up and put the fries in the bag
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:09 pm to momentoftruth87
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You can keep trying to connect us with the Dems but you have more in common with them with your tds.
His main goal each day is to “get MAGA”.
Fricking weird
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I was speaking of the offshored jobs that left, that people want back, for some reason.
Define these jobs, and when they left.
You are being ambiguous and leave the door open for goal post moving.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:09 pm to wackatimesthree
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I could keep going, but the point is that I don't know how told you that home ownership was declining year over year,
Look at who is buying the houses
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However, certain demographics have experienced notable decreases. For instance, the homeownership rate among householders under 35 dropped to 37.4% in Q2 2024, marking the lowest level in four years. This decline is largely attributed to elevated mortgage rates and soaring home prices, which have made homeownership less attainable for younger buyers.?
LINK
I should have clarified my statement but I thought I did when I mentioned how home purchases were led by boomers
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2023-2024 marked the second consecutive year that Baby Boomers (ages 60-78) were the largest share of homebuyers — overtaking Millennials (ages 24-42), who had led home purchases for nearly a decade prior.
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During the period between July 2023 and June 2024, baby boomers emerged as the leading home buyers in the U.S., accounting for 42% of purchases, while millennials' share declined to 29%. This shift is largely attributed to baby boomers' ability to make all-cash offers, with half of older boomers (ages 70–78) and 40% of younger boomers (ages 60–69) purchasing homes entirely with cash, thereby bypassing financing challenges that younger buyers often face.
This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:10 pm to texag7
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His main goal each day is to “get MAGA”. Fricking weird
Yeah it’s weird.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:11 pm to stout
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Owning a home has long been a wealth building tool. Now we have generations who may not ever experience that as evidenced by the % of home owners shrinking year over year.
Well the problem is seeing home ownership as a wealth building opportunity and teh government policy that came about to protect that.
That's not an issue specific to trade and an issue you know I agree with getting government out of the economic manipulation game. That is NOT what the government interventionists want, clearly.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:11 pm to Flats
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Is there objective data in a chart somewhere for this? Did the numbers shift to the upper class or the lower class?
This is old, but still instructive: Brookings Institute
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:11 pm to Powerman
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The working poor are probably about equal to terrorists in the eyes MAGA voters though.
Trump voters trended lower income and less formal education. That was the main knock on them from mainstream dems.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:12 pm to stout
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The American middle class
Definitely a mixed bag according to that article. The middle class lost 10% since 1971 but 8% moved up while only 3% moved down. (they have rounding errors or something in their graphics)
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:12 pm to texag7
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His main goal each day is to “get MAGA”.
Fricking weird
I'm trying to get lots of people who used to be capitalists back on the wagon and off this socialism
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:12 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I'd like this board to tell us all how MAGA and it's turn toward old style democrat populism and class warfare would please him.
You never know which way they might pivot on any given day. Ideology is no longer relevant, everything is fluid and open to interpretation.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Son of a bitch you waste a shite ton of your life on this shite man. Can’t you just be normal?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:13 pm to OceanMan
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Define these jobs,
The jobs being discussed were the lower-level manufacturing jobs MAGA wants back and thinks of as an American birthright, for some reason.
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and when they left.
Sometime between the halcyon 70s and today.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:14 pm to canyon
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Can’t you just be normal?
Being anti-socialism is normal
I'm no fricking commie
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well the problem is seeing home ownership as a wealth building opportunity
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:15 pm to stout
O.k., but you are talking about a four year period, a two year period, and an 11 month period.
That's hardly any sort of meaningful or definitive trend.
That's hardly any sort of meaningful or definitive trend.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You never know which way they might pivot on any given day. Ideology is no longer relevant, everything is fluid and open to interpretation.
The right/left binary is obsolete.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
There has been a philosophical realignment of the parties, and the left/right dynamic, based on people’s personal loyalty to Trump and on one group … lower middle to middle class individuals who achieved their status during the heyday of old-school manufacturing, and their descendants … thinking they have been s**t upon for 40 years and they’re mad as hell and not going to take it anymore, and have taken charge of the GOP, squeezing out the Chamber of Commerce types who controlled the party for generations.
There’s a little bit of Howard Beale there (we’ll see who the movie fans are), but if I could compare it to anything historically, it would be … flame away … the Wallace movement of 1968, which was about MUCH more than race. Remember its slogan? “Send them (the elites) a message.”
There’s a little bit of Howard Beale there (we’ll see who the movie fans are), but if I could compare it to anything historically, it would be … flame away … the Wallace movement of 1968, which was about MUCH more than race. Remember its slogan? “Send them (the elites) a message.”
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