re: Are the staunch conservatives here Bernie bros

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If government has a policy causing a problem, you kinda can’t solve that problem without government changing that policy, now can you?

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Again…if your first inclination is to think that government can fix it, well you’re a fricking liberal. Period. End of discussion.

If you believe that government can, and should, fix whatever grievances you have, You’re a Marxist.

This is why there is very little daylight between hardcore MAGA bros and Bernie Bros.

Just accept it.

I believe that government must be changed because it already caused problems. To say that we can’t fix them because any attempt to do so is socialism is just deferring to a f$&ked up status quo caused by previous government actions. You argue that attempting to solve problems just continues the cycle, when not doing anything at all ALSO continues the cycle. You have created a logic loop of surrender.

No, problems can be solved. Governments can do good or bad depending upon who is in charge. Governments are necessary to protect private property rights and solve problems. When government screws up, changing that government to a new one that removes the screwup is the only logical choice.

I nearly forgot that Tucker Carlson promoted Fishback so hard on the mat his head nearly spun .



Just like Joe Kent Romney Vindman P Fitzgerald.

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Isn't Fishback the guy who believed in white replacement theory?

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you don’t?

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He must be popular here, but not amongst the conservative crowd. He is morre if a MAGA crowd dude.

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no, maga has distanced itself from anything like this unfortunately

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Remeylebeta was a big fishback guy

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I'll take Fishback over AIPAC Randy Fine. I bet you would love to go kiss that wall with him. Then you can go frick some goats with your brethren

Randy Fine is a patriot! How dare you disparage that great statesman’s name!

*sarcasm

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That status quo is driving people towards socialists like Bernie.

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No, soft and lazy people, anxious to feed on the milk from the government's teat are those driven towards Bernie. Status quo doesn't move the needle.

Time to step away from politics for a few days, DeBoar

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I believe that government must be changed because it already caused problems.

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Of course. But Bernie and Trump aren’t about changing government, but rather expanding its role, spending, influence, and debt.

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You have created a logic loop of surrender.

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Hmmm… what would you call expanding government in face of its failures?

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No, soft and lazy people, anxious to feed on the milk from the government's teat are those driven towards Bernie. Status quo doesn't move the needle.

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Lazy and soft? 20 years ago, the average rent was less than 1/3 the average wage. Now, it’s half.

People are attracted to populism and socialism because they see their biggest expenses (housing, food, healthcare, higher education, etc) have all exploded in price much faster than inflation (which was already bad enough) and orders of magnitude faster than wages to compensate.

You can pretend it’s just a bunch of entitled blue hairs and broccoli heads, but on average, Zoomers work significantly more hours on average for significantly less disposable income than any generation since The Great Depression. It is harder to find a job out of college right now than any time in living memory. Applicants are sending out more resumes to more jobs while waiting back longer than ever. Yes, it is that bad.

I don’t believe Bernie’s ideas will make things better. I believe that they will make things worse. However, he is at least speaking about the problem while many Republicans (not Trump or Vance to their credit), prefer to just make fun of the people struggling while offering no policy to alleviate their problems. No healthcare overhauls to bring down costs, no zoning or immigration reforms to bring down housing costs, no overhauls of higher ed to bring down tuition, and no regulatory changes to reign in oligarchs outsourcing or h1b’ing away all the jobs and making starting new businesses virtually impossible.

Trump and Vance won because they spoke to these issues. The GOPe lost because they prefer to make fun of people who talk about affordability while actively obfuscating Trump at every turn.