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re: Anti AR15 people: How is the AR15 functionally different than any other semiauto rifle?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:11 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:11 pm to BobBoucher
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You are correct in that nothing short of a ban will satisfy them. This is not about them - it's about optics to the more reasonable population that aren't hard core gun control activists, which is a much larger audience.
You saying someone else is missing the point is hilarious!
Yes gun control people will never let up so what we need to do is give them a little.
One thing has been proven is that if you give gun control pundits an inch they will take a mile. As a gun owner I’m not standing for that anymore. I’m ready to start reclaiming rights.
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:11 pm to civiltiger07
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asked what should be done. Your response, they need to talk.
I'll throw out an example: if the NRA and GOP agrees to pass legislation to raise the age limit on [insert whatever - i.e. high power ammo or "assault" rifles], that would be doing something. So it doesn't have to be binary (ban or no ban).
And don't focus on my suggestion. That's not the intent of my post.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:13 pm to civiltiger07
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One thing has been proven is that if you give gun control pundits an inch they will take a mile. As a gun owner I’m not standing for that anymore. I’m ready to start reclaiming rights.
I totally get your point and you're not wrong. It's just not good optics and good politics if these events continue.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:13 pm to BobBoucher
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This is about optics to the more reasonable population that aren't hard core gun control activists, which is a much larger audience.
The lesser educated population is not more reasonable. I'm not going to pander to the ignorant when they can be educated. You worrying about the optics is lazy, disingenuous, and a piss poor method to keeping gun-control loons in check.
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You're missing the forest for the trees man.
You don't even know where the forest is here. I know this issue better than practically anyone else on this board, vastly better than you do. You worry about optics when you should be educating people, that is what you are missing.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:15 pm to BobBoucher
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not good optics
Here are some good optics:
Zeiss
Swarovski
Night Force
Leupold
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:18 pm to BobBoucher
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It's just not good optics and good politics if these events continue.
These events are always going to happen. Pandering isn't going to stop them. Instead of being soft headed and worrying about optics and letting gun-control proponents frame the narrative, the narrative should be on what can be done to make schools harder targets, the failures of existing laws, LE agencies, and the adults that knew the shooter that should have prevented this from ever happening.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:19 pm to weagle99
As a kalashnikov fan, I must say that I am really feeling left out lately.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:19 pm to Clames
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I know this issue better than practically anyone else on this board, vastly better than you do.
No doubt.
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You worry about optics when you should be educating people, that is what you are missing.
I don't even know how to respond to this other than to say it's just not realistic for a multitude of reasons.
A small sacrifice like age limits or whatever can make a huge optical difference as opposed to doing nothing. Understand that doing nothing = saying school massacres are ok and we don't care enough to do something (optics).
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:26 pm to BobBoucher
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I'm all MAGA and pro 2A. But...
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:26 pm to weagle99
If the AR15 is functionally no different than a regular rifle then it is purchased because of the way it looks, correct?
And it is made to look like a military weapon of war, which is why most every one buys them. Which is in all probability why the shooter chose also chose it; to fulfil a sick fantasy of being in some battle or war.
I’m not in any way making a judgement but it strikes me as somewhat of a self defeating argument to argue the ar-15 is no different than a regular rifle. Makes it much easier for the anti gun nuts to then say, “well, then you don’t need them if they are the same.”
And it is made to look like a military weapon of war, which is why most every one buys them. Which is in all probability why the shooter chose also chose it; to fulfil a sick fantasy of being in some battle or war.
I’m not in any way making a judgement but it strikes me as somewhat of a self defeating argument to argue the ar-15 is no different than a regular rifle. Makes it much easier for the anti gun nuts to then say, “well, then you don’t need them if they are the same.”
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:28 pm to Robin Masters
That is an interesting point.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:28 pm to BobBoucher
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A small sacrifice like age limits or whatever can make a huge optical difference as opposed to doing nothing.
But age limits won’t do anything.
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Understand that doing nothing = saying school massacres are ok and we don't care enough to do something (optics).
So many times more poeple are killed while riding in cars than by any type of firearm.
So by not lowering the speed limit to 25 or 35 on all roads, are we saying that we don’t care about people that die in car crashes? I mean that is something that can actually be done and would actually have a big impact on the deaths in vehicles.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:29 pm to Robin Masters
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If the AR15 is functionally no different than a regular rifle then it is purchased because of the way it looks, correct?
No.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:32 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No.
I’m sure there are other benefits but have you been to a magazine rack in the south lately? At my Publix there are no less than 10 “gun pornos” on the rack with AR type rifles made to look very boss. I’m a normal male and despite only owning one 9 mm I always walk by the rack thinking those look pretty fricking cool.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:32 pm to BobBoucher
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I don't even know how to respond to this other than to say it's just not realistic for a multitude of reasons.
It is perfectly realistic. It's exactly how three landmark US Supreme Court cases were won against the agitation of gun-control advocates. It's how gun-control has been put on the losing side of this debate since 1996.
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A small sacrifice like age limits or whatever can make a huge optical difference as opposed to doing nothing. Understand that doing nothing = saying school massacres are ok and we don't care enough to do something (optics).
Complete bullshite. You are clearly not paying attention because advocating for removal of "gun-free zones" for schools and allowing teachers, faculty, and even some college students the option to CCW is not "doing nothing". Raising age limits does shite, that is doing nothing. frick that retarded crap.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:32 pm to BobBoucher
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Understand that doing nothing = saying school massacres are ok and we don't care enough to do something
This is such a bad point. It's interesting to see it reused so often, though.
Understand that refusing to budge on gun control =/= doing nothing.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:33 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Nope. You can trick out that platform however you want, the mods you can do are nearly endless, that's why they are popular.
And it is made to look like a military weapon of war, which is why most every one buys them.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:34 pm to Robin Masters
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I’m sure there are other benefits but have you been to a magazine rack in the south lately? At my Publix there are no less than 10 “gun pornos” on the rack with AR type rifles made to look very boss. I’m a normal male and despite only owning one 9 mm I always walk by the rack thinking those look pretty fricking cool.
So you don't own any, despite how "cool" they look?
Interesting...
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:38 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
I enjoyed the debate with you fellas. 
Glad it was mostly above board. Hopefully the right can regain the narrative somehow and this won't be a factor in midterms and 2020.
I gotta check out for a bit.
Glad it was mostly above board. Hopefully the right can regain the narrative somehow and this won't be a factor in midterms and 2020.
I gotta check out for a bit.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:39 pm to BobBoucher
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won't be a factor in midterms and 2020.
If the left runs on gun control for the midtermals, the GOP may gain a super majority.
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