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re: Anti AR15 people: How is the AR15 functionally different than any other semiauto rifle?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:30 pm to BobBoucher
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:30 pm to BobBoucher
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A trauma surgeons observations of AR15 damage (versus handguns).
Newsflash, practically all centerfire rifles produce such results. If you think .223/5.56NATO is special then you failed basic physics in grade school. Ever see what 12ga buckshot does to a body? Still, Virgina Tech shooter killed 30+ with a 9mm and a .22LR handgun. Remote wounding characteristics are unpredictable which is why knowledgeable people don't hang their hat on those theories in terminal ballistics.
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I'm all MAGA and pro 2A. But damn. I'm all for making sure people who own these weapons are capable of sound judgment.
No, you just made yourself sound like an uneducated Fudd. Good job.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:34 pm
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Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:38 pm to Clames
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No, you just made yourself sound like an uneducated Fudd. Good job
Oh. So you know my positions better than I do?
I own a hand gun and a shotgun. But I'm not as knowledgable in firearms as you.
The problem is people like me far outnumber people like you. And voters will go to the polls on emotion. Do not underestimate the optics of "doing nothing". It's poor politics and the GOP will get beat over the head with it in midterms and 2020 if these events continue.
I would suggest some action for better optics, even if it's more of a "token" effort. Ill be concerned if the GOP shrugs it off.
The Dems are sinking and the last thing we need to do is throw them a life jacket.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:44 pm to BobBoucher
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The problem is people like me far outnumber people like you.
That all depends on where you live.
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And voters will go to the polls on emotion. Do not underestimate the optics of "doing nothing".
You mean the optics of a democrat controlled executive and Congress (with a supermajority I might add) that did nothing?
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I would suggest some action for better optics, even if it's more of a "token" effort. Ill be concerned if the GOP shrugs it off.
Advocating passing useless laws that do nothing to address the topics for "optics" tells me all I need to know about you.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:45 pm to BobBoucher
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So you know my positions better than I do?
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The problem is people like me far outnumber people like you. And voters will go to the polls on emotion. Do not underestimate the optics of "doing nothing". It's poor politics and the GOP will get beat over the head with it in midterms and 2020 if these events continue.
So you know this?
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I would suggest some action for better optics, even if it's more of a "token" effort. Ill be concerned if the GOP shrugs it off.
So what are you saying should be done? Ban AR-15’s? Because that has been done, and it didn’t do anything. Columbine happened during the Clinton Gun Ban.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:46 pm to BobBoucher
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I would suggest some action for better optics, even if it's more of a "token" effort. Ill be concerned if the GOP shrugs it off.
I’d think some kind of age restriction is most likely the outcome. Most of these school shooters are teens.
I understand the irony of being able to go to war, but not buy a gun. However we have made an age differential around alcohol and having to be 21. Maybe the same thing could curb teen shooters in their younger emotional years.
A lot of maturing happens between 18 and 21.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:46 pm to Centinel
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Advocating passing useless laws that do nothing to address the topics for "optics" tells me all I need to know about you.
If something can easily be done that has a meaningful effect, I'm all for it. But if that were possible it would have been done already.
As for optics, you don't do politics well do you.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:47 pm to BobBoucher
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Compare the damage an AR-15 and a 9mm handgun can do to the human body: “One looks like a grenade went off in there,” says Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona. “The other looks like a bad knife cut.
A bad knife cut, huh?
I wonder if all them boys killed with pistol rounds would still be alive if they knew it was just a "bad knife cut"...
This surgeon is a queer, BTW.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:48 pm to BobBoucher
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Oh. So you know my positions better than I do?
I know you have no idea what you are talking about.
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I own a hand gun and a shotgun. But I'm not as knowledgable in firearms as you.
Not even close.
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The problem is people like me far outnumber people like you. And voters will go to the polls on emotion. Do not underestimate the optics of "doing nothing". It's poor politics and the GOP will get beat over the head with it in midterms and 2020 if these events continue.
People like me win in the courts where emotions don't carry the weight of observable facts. Gun-control morons have been preaching that the GOP will lose on this issue for decades. Guess what? GOP hasn't lost. Gun-control has been, and always will be, a losing issue based on ignorance and dishonesty.
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I would suggest some action for better optics, even if it's more of a "token" effort.
No. I'm going to send my money to the NRA, SAF, GOA as I always have and provide technical information to my politicians to make sure they know the facts. Giving in to morons is never an option.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:50 pm to BobBoucher
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If something can easily be done that has a meaningful effect, I'm all for it. But if that were possible it would have been done already.
So why are you even in this thread?
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As for optics, you don't do politics well do you.
I do politics very well. Which is why I enjoy calling people like you out on your bullshite.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:55 pm to civiltiger07
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So you know this?
It's pretty safe to say most Americans don't know the details of the ammo used in an AR15. And as for the power of emotion on voters, simply look at the overwhelmingly positive response to SOTU.
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So what are you saying should be done? Ban AR-15’s? Because that has been done, and it didn’t do anything. Columbine happened during the Clinton Gun Ban.
No. Bans don't work. We know that. And personally I think enthusiasts and hobbiest should be able to have them. I'm just saying the GOP should work with the NRA to come to some "decision" that takes a step to address it so we aren't made out to be the villains. It's a powerful narrative that can have consequences at the polls.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 2/19/18 at 6:58 pm to Centinel
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do politics very well. Which is why I enjoy calling people like you out on your bullshite.
Politics it based on optics. It's not bullshite. Suggesting otherwise is ignorant.
Let me ask you a question. Are you in the "do nothing" camp?
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:01 pm to BobBoucher
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simply look at the overwhelmingly positive response to SOTU.
Don’t watch CNN
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No. Bans don't work. We know that. And personally I think enthusiasts and hobbiest should be able to have them. I'm just saying the GOP should work with the NRA to come to some "decision" that takes a step to address it so we aren't made out to be the villains. It's a powerful narrative that can have consequences at the polls.
This whole paragraph says nothing.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:01 pm to weagle99
True story...
My old man (who has more firearms than I do) actually said after sandy hook to me that nobody needs an ar15...and went on about not good for deer hunting (about all he does) and pretty much parroted all the msm talking points. I laughed and countered with a quip or two and we agreed to just disagree.
Fast forward to this past hunting season and all the guys around camp talking guns and my old man tells all his buddies he always wanted a ruger mini14.
I looked at him like he was a damn fool (or a brain diseased liberal).
And for you lefties who won’t get it - a ruger mini14 shoots the same cartridge (bullet) that the ar15 shoots - the little .223. You can even get the same high capacity magazines for the ruger.
Yeah, we’ve even argued about abortion. Funny how it’s all about “the children” only if they make it out of the womb.
My old man (who has more firearms than I do) actually said after sandy hook to me that nobody needs an ar15...and went on about not good for deer hunting (about all he does) and pretty much parroted all the msm talking points. I laughed and countered with a quip or two and we agreed to just disagree.
Fast forward to this past hunting season and all the guys around camp talking guns and my old man tells all his buddies he always wanted a ruger mini14.
I looked at him like he was a damn fool (or a brain diseased liberal).
And for you lefties who won’t get it - a ruger mini14 shoots the same cartridge (bullet) that the ar15 shoots - the little .223. You can even get the same high capacity magazines for the ruger.
Yeah, we’ve even argued about abortion. Funny how it’s all about “the children” only if they make it out of the womb.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:02 pm to BobBoucher
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And personally I think enthusiasts and hobbiest should be able to have them. I'm just saying the GOP should work with the NRA to come to some "decision" that takes a step to address it so we aren't made out to be the villains. It's a powerful narrative that can have consequences at the polls.
You really have no idea what you are talking about. That's exactly the mindset that got the 1986 FOPA and the 1994 AWB passed. There is no compromise with gun-control advocates anymore. They will demonize the NRA and any politician that isn't parroting their rhetoric no matter what "decision" is reached. You are truly clueless as a gun owner.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:02 pm to civiltiger07
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This whole paragraph says nothing.
If you're binary about it, then yeah I can see why you would come to that conclusion.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:02 pm to BobBoucher
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Let me ask you a question. Are you in the "do nothing" camp?
I’m not. I say get rid of “gun free zones” they don’t work. Also, protect kids in school like politians and celebrities are protected.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:03 pm to BobBoucher
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A trauma surgeons observations of AR15 damage (versus handguns).
Why does it matter? A fatal wound is a fatal wound. You could also be killed by a .22 and it look like a pencil stabbed you.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:03 pm to BobBoucher
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Let me ask you a question. Are you in the "do nothing" camp?
I'm certainly not in the do nothing camp. I want weak minded people like you booted the frick out of my society.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:05 pm to BobBoucher
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If you're binary about it, then yeah I can see why you would come to that conclusion.
I asked what should be done. Your response, they need to talk.
Posted on 2/19/18 at 7:07 pm to Clames
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There is no compromise with gun-control advocates anymore. They will demonize the NRA and any politician that isn't parroting their rhetoric no matter what "decision" is reached.
You're missing my point entirely. You are correct in that nothing short of a ban will satisfy them. This is not about them - it's about optics to the more reasonable population that aren't hard core gun control activists, which is a much larger audience.
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You are truly clueless as a gun owner.
You're missing the forest for the trees man.
This post was edited on 2/19/18 at 7:08 pm
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