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re: 65 months of CPI over 2%

Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:01 pm to
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Go look at the current number of mortgages and student loans that are over 90 days delinquent. Not good.


I get what you're saying, but student loans are a perennial issue. Mortgages, on the other hand, are usually one of the last things they get behind on.
The pattern seems to go unsecured loans first (ex: credit cards, personal loans, and retail accounts), then secondary secured loans (like vehicle loans and personal lines of credit) and then primary secured debt (mortgages).

Credit card delinquencies dropped to record lows in 2020–2021 due to all the pandemic stuff, but then surged past pre-pandemic levels, with transition rates stabilizing as lenders keep charged-off debts on books longer. They are now around GFC levels.

Car loan delinquencies rose steadily post-pandemic and have now reached historic highs.

Mortgage delinquency rates hit an incredible low during COVID and only slowly crept up the last few years. Last year and this year have seen more increase than the other post-COVID years, but they are still near historic lows.

If we see rates continue to increase at the rate we have from Q4 2025 to Q1 2026 while card and vehicle delinquencies continue to rise, that's probably a sign that the wheels are coming off the consumer debt bubble car.
This post was edited on 8/13/26 at 6:00 am
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:02 pm to
You couldn’t foreclose during Covid in many places
Posted by Boomer Rick
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:12 pm to
Good.

I hate to see people lose their homes, but the housing market was being manipulated and it caused problems. Maybe the increase in inventory will improve affordability.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 8:16 pm
Posted by trinidadtiger
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:17 pm to
I say once again 20 million illegals that arrived in the last few years are the driver of credit card, car, and home payment issues. They dont give a shat if you come after them, they will pack up that f150 with the goods on credit and head home

Everyone looks at employment, debt, medicare costs, home pricing.......and pretend there was no MONSTROUS adjustment the past few years. They just continue to view things from a historical view.

The economy for most americans has improved, view it through a silo and say my gas and latte went up......and forget your 401 rose well beyond any daily costs.
Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:21 pm to
Apple extended their back to school sale that usually ends in late August but now ends late September.

Demand must be soft. Consumer debt is exploding and costs are up. They entered a deal with Klarna to create a broad hardware leasing program this past week.

I think we will have a bearish reaction and pullback to weak holiday quarters across retail.

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The economy for most americans has improved, view it through a silo and say my gas and latte went up......and forget your 401 rose well beyond any daily costs.



And that 401k will correct if the pullback and recession happens in 2027. Can't predict the future but that is a silly thing to trumpet. Costs are up and consumer debt is out of control. The fundamentals of the economy are screwy.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 8:24 pm
Posted by Lou the Jew from LSU
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:25 pm to
Trinidad,
I regret that I have but one upvote to give.
Posted by Timeoday
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:31 pm to
Yep, when the banker calls to let you know how proud he is of me and wants me to find some props and create some more entitiies to absorb them, I know exactly what he is really trying to say.

"Help a banker out, bruh."

Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 7:45 am to
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Inflation was created by policies from the Fed


Sort of, but not quite (excepting their foot-dragging to realize the post-COVID inflation and then their ridiculous attempts at a "soft landing"). The Fed was reacting to the debt creation of Congress. Without Congress creating fricktons of debt, there is very little for the Fed to buy (ie: QE).

Their only other option was to simply not buy and risk an auction fail (which would have happened for at least one auction I can remember). If an auction ever fails, we're fricked as so much of our economy has become addicted to deficit spending.
Posted by ronricks
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 7:49 am to
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Q2 2020 —> 23,860
Q2 2021 —> 8,100
Q2 2022 —> 35,000

These numbers are irrelevant due to all the ridiculous Covid era protections for mortgages etc.
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has me thinking we will revert back to levels not seen since the mid 2010s

Your dream will finally come true!! After years of hinting at and predicting a housing 'crash' your day will finally come! Congrats! You might be finally right
Posted by Diego Ricardo
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 7:55 am to
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65 months of CPI over 2%



Another thing:

I think we may be in a scenario where monetary policy cannot fix the inflationary trend. Something other than cashflow may be causing inflation.

The general rule is raise rates when inflation is high, cut rates when unemployment is high. However you have to caution raising rates too highly because it will lead to layoffs. We've seen that in tech where they were hiring like rates would always been in the mid 2010s through COVID historical lows. Once the rates began rising, you saw that big tech did not have an appetite for their payrolls anymore. That's not the only example but it is a high profile one.

There are two possibilities now that higher rates have not resolved inflation:

1. The rates must go even higher and force a recession with mass layoffs to curtail demand as much as possible

2. The inflation is caused by reasons monetary policy cannot resolve
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 7:57 am to
Dumb




1. I never said a crash. I always said it would be a market correction.
2. These things never happen quickly and take years to come to fruition. People forget the decades of bad policy that enabled the 2008 crash. We have had similar bad policy, kicking the can down the road, which is what I have been warning about.
3. If you did listen to me, you are welcome. If not...sorry.


The market could change quickly if rates suddenly drop to 4% but even that would be bad for different reasons. In short, the market is cooked for a while either way.



This post was edited on 8/13/26 at 8:25 am
Posted by stout
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 7:58 am to
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1. The rates must go even higher and force a recession with mass layoffs to curtail demand as much as possible



Trump will have an aneurysm if that happens

We should have raised rates faster a few years ago and dealt with the pain. We might be on the tail end of it by now, but instead we are just floating along in a never-ending inflationary period.
Posted by WizardSleeve
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:06 am to
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The consumer debt bubble


I wonder about student loan debt as well. I have seen that repayment has started after several years of most loans being in forbearance and deferred, but still accumulating interest. Now monthly payments are much higher than the borrowers were paying before the “gap” in repayments.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:13 am to
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off their asking prices


Who cares....they can ASK whatever they want, and artificially inflate once market is decent. Market comes down to normal, and they act like they had to come off the true value of the home.
Posted by Penrod
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:25 am to
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What economy? You call this nation of middlemen that moves Chinese made junk back and forth an economy?

Good heavens! We have the greatest economy the world has ever seen, and you vomit that? Our poor people are richer than the world’s median.

I’m curious, if our economy is supposedly so poor can you name one that is good?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:30 am to
End the Fed.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:36 am to
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Good heavens! We have the greatest economy the world has ever seen, and you vomit that?

80 years ago we blew up the world so that American industry would be dominant forever and every American would have a good job at the washing machine factory with a pension and a house and a nuclear family. The heads of the companies and the shareholders decided 40 years later to send this good life overseas and have been living off the dividends ever since while the average American quality of life has declined. Sure everyone has a Chinese tv and a tracking device in their pocket but take into account children born out of wedlock, suicides, deaths of despair, divorce etc

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Our poor people are richer than the world’s median.

Yes I know I pay for them

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I’m curious, if our economy is supposedly so poor can you name one that is good?

China today seems a lot like America in the 50s
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:47 am to
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I wonder about student loan debt as well. I have seen that repayment has started after several years of most loans being in forbearance and deferred, but still accumulating interest. Now monthly payments are much higher than the borrowers were paying before the “gap” in repayments.


Many debts can be discharged through bankruptcy, but student loans isn't always one of them. Courts generally use one of two tests to determine this (and it's all-or-nothing, either the debt is fully discharged or none is discharged):

The Brunner Test:
-This test is used to determine what qualifies as an undue hardship. Under this test, a person is capable of discharging a debt if certain factors are met.
---First, a person must establish that they are incapable of maintaining a minimal standard of living if they are required to repay loans.
---Second, a person must establish that their current financial situation is likely to continue for a substantial portion of the repayment period.
---Third, a person must show a good faith effort was made to repay the student loans.

The Totality of the Circumstances Test:
-This test evaluates all factors in a case to determine if a person is unable to face an undue hardship that leaves him or her unable to repay student loans.

It may be that we see those with higher balances getting those discharged as part of their bankruptcy, if they get that far into debt. How many people that will impact is anyone's guess at this point though.
Posted by cusoonkpd
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 8:47 am to
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Good heavens! We have the greatest economy the world has ever seen, and you vomit that? Our poor people are richer than the world’s median.


Part of what you say is true. Our standard of living is higher than any other nation. There are cracks:

Just this past week, the fed elected to bail out Japan’s yen. They did so to prevent Japan from dumping US treasuries. If not, the dollar index would have plunged.

The dollar is the prettiest pig in the pigpen, I would agree with you at this time.

Iran is charging ships that pass through the SOH. They are requesting Yuan or bitcoin. The little oil they are selling is being paid for in Yuan or bitcoin.

In the last few days, SA has reached a defense pact with the Turks.

Are our days as the provider of security to the Middle East numbered? Is the end of the petrodollar nearing? Is our status as world reserve currency safe?

Europe and many nations in the east are feeling the effects of our skirmish in Iran more than the US. Fuel supplies and fertilizers are dwindling.

We need to finish this escapade sooner rather than later, or we will pay a hefty price.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/13/26 at 9:01 am to
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Another thing:

I think we may be in a scenario where monetary policy cannot fix the inflationary trend. Something other than cashflow may be causing inflation.

The general rule is raise rates when inflation is high, cut rates when unemployment is high. However you have to caution raising rates too highly because it will lead to layoffs. We've seen that in tech where they were hiring like rates would always been in the mid 2010s through COVID historical lows. Once the rates began rising, you saw that big tech did not have an appetite for their payrolls anymore. That's not the only example but it is a high profile one.

There are two possibilities now that higher rates have not resolved inflation:

1. The rates must go even higher and force a recession with mass layoffs to curtail demand as much as possible

2. The inflation is caused by reasons monetary policy cannot resolve


You are pretty much dead-center on the scenario.

The biggest issue we have is deficit spending and that causes two primary problems:

-Inflation as long as we keep creating so much debt
-Increasing economic dependency on deficit spending remaining at least as high as it has been post-COVID (and that spending is quite a bit higher than the GFC to pre-COVID period, which was higher than the pre-GFC period).

Rates can be Volker'd, with the jump in Unemployment following, but as long as annual deficits remain higher than giraffe pussy then we're just fighting the symptom (thus the "cure" may make things worse).

On the other hand, just balancing the budget would mean cutting federal spending by ~1/3 (that's for everything except debt servicing). Cutting that much from Social Security, the VA, soldier pay, Medicare, etc. would almost immediately cause a strong recession (and a frickton of voter outrage which would almost guarantee Congress would reverse course asap).

What's happening is that the can keeps getting kicked down the road in the hope some miracle happens. There is no miracle for this, math is simply gonna math and the longer and deeper we lean into this pro-debt mindset instead of a pro-credit one, the worse it's going to be when the consumer debt bubble pops and then again when the weight of the federal debt crushes the value of the USD.
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