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Who made this decision? Politicians? WLF? A commission? Someone needs to be accountable to answer the question as to “why”?


The decision is made by the Louisiana Wildlife and Fisheries Commission. It is a board of 7 appointed commissioners.


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If it’s the commission, then who appointed them? Are they getting paid or is the politician that appointed them getting paid?


They are all appointed by a governor. Some were appointed by JBE and some by Jeff Landry. The current makeup of the LWF Commission is 4-3 in favor of commercial interests, due to the appointees from Landry.

Landry’s campaign benefited from hundreds of thousands of dollars in contributions from the menhaden industry. There might be some other under-the-table benefits going on, but there was a ton of money publicly contributed by these menhaden companies and owners to Jeff Landry and they are now getting the benefits of cherry picked commissioners friendly to them.


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That’s where my breakdown in understanding is. If the people of Louisiana (the sportsman at least) are so against this, and have gobs of evidence against it, then why would the boundary get changed? Who can answer that question for the people?


An excellent question. The 3 commissioners friendly to conservation and recreational interests voted against the buffer change. The 4 who voted in favor of decreasing the buffer are all aligned with commercial interests. Two own alligator farms. One owned a shrimp dock. Jimmy Martin was a commercial fisherman and was appointed by Landry early this year. Chairman Sagrera was also appointed by Landry this year and is one of the alligator farmers. This changed the commission to be favorable to the menhaden reduction industry.

I was in the Nov 6 hearing and it was very heated and obvious how each of them would vote. The 4 commercial friendly guys were confrontational to the commenters who were against the pogy boats. Jimmy Martin, in an bizarre off topic question, asked the owner of Puglia’s sporting goods if he sold barbless hooks, because if he didnt sell barbless hooks he was somehow doing more harm to the ecosystem than the pogy boats. It was the most wildly ignorant statement and I was embarrassed as a Louisiana resident that these guys are making such important decisions. One of the commissioners who owns alligator farms was on his phone the entire time, not really listening to the people who got up to speak and comment. The guy who owned the shrimp dock was the deciding vote and he voted with the pogy boats because the shrimp industry is aligned with the pogy boats. They kill a lot of bycatch also and view any threat to the pogy reduction industry as a future threat to them.

There is definitely a strange alliance and solidarity between the pogy reduction industry and all other commercial fishing and shrimping mom and pop businesses. It’s ironic because there would be more fish available for our commercial fishermen if it weren’t for the pogy boats and the real kicker is the reduction product fish meal and oil is almost exclusively used in aquaculture overseas, including shrimp and salmon that are sold back into our market to compete against our own domestic commercial shrimpers and fishermen. Omega themselves own one of the largest shrimp farms in Central America. They harvest our pogies to feed their farms.

One speaker got to the podium and brought up that the 2 commissioners owning alligator farms would be an obvious conflict of interest since the main cost in farming alligators is the feed… made from menhaden. So the cost of their feed would go up if the harvest of menhaden was reduced. It’s highly unethical and an ethics complaint has been filed, to my knowledge.



TLDR: Jeff Landry was elected from pogy industry money - he appointed commissioners friendly to the industry - they vote in their best interests, not in the interests of the people of Louisiana.


I will add that the menhaden people and their lobbyists are very friendly with Jeff Landry and this kind of stuff only happens with the governor on board. 100% he was aware of this buffer change. Many people reached out to him to try to stop it, telling him it would be a political issue for him later, but he ignored and essentially responded that these menhaden companies would lose jobs if we didn’t accommodate them. Or at least thats what Ive heard from more than one person who has spoken to him about it.

If you dont like what’s happening with the pogy boats, it’s ultimately all on Jeff Landry.
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supposed to limit it to 1 miles and then the new gov got elected
Yep thats what that $780k of known public contributions bought. Likely a lot more in unknown contributions like invites to Francois Kuttel's yacht in the Mediterranean or $15 million vacation house in Aspen. They bought a governor friendly to the industry.

Here's a YouTube of the show from this morning if you missed it.

YouTube Don Dubuc WWL 870 Menhaden Segement
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Don also asked Ben why Louisiana should be different than the rest of the gulf states that have either banned or heavily regulated the lovey industry. Ben’s direct answer was “our coast are different than theirs. That’s why.” No follow up or further elaboration.


Yeah he called Louisiana “a working coast” trying to imply that somehow we should tolerate factory ships harvesting everything they can simply because we dont have white sand beaches and condos the whole length of our coastline.
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I was really impressed by Don. He had clearly read up on everything and was ready to go.


Agreed. He did a great job. Came across as very reasonable too.
Normally I think Ben Landry does a good job arguing in favor of the industry, but usually he isnt talking to someone who knows the subject as well as Don Dubuc did during this interview.

The stuff about campaign contributions was not a good look for the pogy boats. Ben said “it isnt as much as you think it is” and then Don brought up the actual donations of $780k right after that. Made him and the industry look kind of dishonest. They made the contributions, they should own them and explain why they contribute heavily to politicians. He instead said “recreational anglers probably give way more to politicians” or something like that, which I dont think anyone believes. CCA isnt allowed to make political contributions as a non-profit.
Don's show comes out as a podcast every week, I listen to it sometimes on apple podcasts. If I see it when it comes out I'll post here.
Just a heads up for anyone in their cars or listening to the radio at work, tune in to 870 AM today to listen to Don Dubuc interview a few folks to dig into the menhaden (pogy boats) issues. Segment starts at 8 AM.

Listen to Ben Landry spin propaganda for the international companies raping our resource at 8am

Rep Orgeron will get on at 845

Chris Macaluso with TRCP and Rad Trascher from CCA will be on at 910.
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75% and there were drops too! Could have been over 80%
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re: Pogy Boat Buffer - Next Steps

Posted by WizardSleeve on 12/11/25 at 12:22 pm to
The pogie boat viewpoint in the video cited several facts that were false and unfortunately the interviewer didn't know enough about the issue to check them on it. This is standard operating procedure for the industry - to lie about things and present their impact on our state in a false way.

He starts by saying that "foreign ownership isnt a factor" in their industry pointing out that the fishing companies are American owned. Legally in the USA a foreign owned fishing vessel is not allowed to fish so the foreign parent companies set up as owned in the USA to own and operate the boats themselves. The factories where 100% of the product is processed is owned by the foreign parent companies (Omega = Cooke Aquaculture and Daybrook = Oceana). Its shows how slimy they are to present their ownership this way. This guy himself works for Omega which is a 100% foreign owned company. Foreign entities are in fact taking the menhaden, despite putting American flags on the boats.

His explanation of what happened during the tarpon fishermen conflict, where they caught tarpon in the net, was false. The tarpon fishermen have video of the pogy boats steaming close to the recreational fisherman right in the middle of where they were fishing. He talks about the pogy boats trying to avoid conflict but in this case they tarpon fishermen were already there and the pogy boats pushed right into them. I know a few of the tarpon guys who were out there personally and they are very credible. They said that they radioed the pogy boats to avoid the area because there were 6 tarpon boats working a school. The warning was ignored and the pogy boats ended up killing at least one tarpon and there was video of the tarpon caught in their nets, many of you have seen this video Im sure.

"we've been harvesting in the gulf for probably 80 or 90 years" is a false statement and misrepresents the truth. The Louisiana pogy plants were built in the late 1960s. The first initial landings of menhaden in Louisiana were in 1948. The amount that was harvested in the 1950s and 1960s was tiny, compared to today. Since the 1980s until today the industry dramatically ramped up harvest and thats when the damage occurred. They paint a picture where the way they harvest today is the same they've harvested for 100 years. Complete garbage.

He briefly mentions the GSMFC assessment to say that the amount they harvest "is sustainable" and begins talking about making sure there is enough menhaden in the water to feed key predators. The assessment done by GSMFC only looks at the menhaden population and doesnt look at the ecosystem and predator indicators at all, like they do in the Atlantic. The industry here has fought that tooth and nail because they know that as soon as the menhaden can be managed based on the needs of predators, they will have to dramatically cut their harvest. Currently they harvest an unlimited amount and they are able to take 20% of the total gulf biomass on average. This doesnt collapse the menhaden population, they end up catching what is replaced almost every year. This is called fishing to maximum sustainable yield. It is an intelligent way to manage a predator stock, but not a forage stock because MSY ignores the what the menhaden stock means to other species. To even mention that they care about predator species is such a bad faith thing to say. Super sleezy. As long as they are able to catch the same amount every year, in general, the stock is not considered "overfished" from an MSY perspective. And this is the vernacular they use. "sustainable". But it doesnt mean that they arent hurting predator populations. It isnt sustainable for the fish that depend on the menhaden. Over 1 billion lbs of pogy are removed annually. Imagine how many fish that would have fed.

He talks about the buffer being reduced in some areas because they dont see a lot of recreational anglers there. This is not why there is a buffer. The buffer is to protect nearshore predators like reds, trout, and tarpon, not to allow the pogy boats to fish and not have to compete with recreational anglers.

"I've always said that a man's livelihood should be treated at least as equal or more important than another man's hobby." This is the most offensive thing he said. There are 300,000 recreational saltwater fishing licenses in Louisiana. Menhaden are a public resource and no one has any more right to them than the other. The waters are a public resource. No one has any more right to be there than the next guy. They didnt buy the rights to an area, they didnt purchase the rights to the menhaden. Just a disgusting attitude and shows behind the curtain of who these people really area. They think they should be allowed to do whatever they want with the resource because they use it to pay their bills. The rest of us who work another job in order to enjoy the resources can go pound sand. Such a nasty attitude by these people.

"This degree of harvest isnt unusual" is totally false. There was no harvest prior to 1948 and the harvest from 1948 to 1970 was less than half of what it is today. Only in the last 40 years have they been obliterating the forage base. The USUAL harvest of menhaden is zero. It's banned in most states.

"We earned the moniker Sportsman's Paradise when there were triple the number of pogy plants and double the vessel" is completely false. The moniker Sportsman's Paradise started closer to 1900 when Theodore Roosevelt visited Louisiana and helped publicize the abundance of fish and wildlife here. It was already well in the public vernacular before the first documented industrial harvest of pogy in 1948. It was on license plates before the pogy plants were built. Once again shows how sleezy these guys are. Just total lies. The ecosystem was far more vibrant and productive before the pogy boats arrived here and thats when we earned the name Sportsman's Paradise.

"Its better if there's not as much tension." "We need to dial down the rhetoric and temperature." This is him just saying - "Let us continue to rape and pillage the most important coastal resource in peace, we are making good money with it"





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Can you give us some bona fide sources for what you say? And if it isn’t political but biological based and is is fair and balanced we will be happy to educate ourselves.


Tell me what fact I cited that you'd like to know the source. I will be be happy to review with you or provide a source.

My research started as a dive into the once-thriving tarpon fishery here and following the trail it ultimately led to the menhaden industry. What I found bothers me so much I feel it is highly important to bring this information to others who care about the coastal resources in our state still being there for our kids and grandkids one day.
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For perspective, the total shrimp harvest in Louisiana is 60 million lbs. The menhaden reduction industry removes over 1 billion lbs of menhaden every year. That is billion with a B. The total amount of all recreationally harvested fish in Louisiana annually, from catfish to trout to flounder to croaker to tuna is 35 million lbs. To put it another way there are 300,000 satwater fishing license holders in Louisiana and they only harvest 3 to 4% of what the menhaden industry harvests every year. Menhaden is a public resource, it belongs to all of us and the use of this resource is completely out of balance. The industry claims that they are only taking a small amount of the fish, but this is a lie. Their average harvest for the last 10 years in Louisiana has been 1.02 billion lbs annually. The total gulf-wide biomass of menhaden has been just over 5 billion lbs, as reported by the GSMFC who is responsible for assessments of several gulf species. The industry harvests on average 20% of the TOTAL gulf biomass every year and this occurs in concentrated fashion in Louisiana. The fact is that any school of menhaden large enough to be seen by a spotter plane is targeted and harvested. They are incentivized to harvest as many fish as possible. More menhaden = more money. They will catch every accessible school of menhaden in an area and move on to the next. The menhaden hug the coast and this is why the buffer is important. The industry catches every single fish that they CAN catch. If the buffer is reduced, they will catch more menhaden.

The menhaden industry has not existed forever in its current form. Historically small amounts of menhaden were caught as bait or for other purposes, without spotter planes and without huge factory ships. The first documented harvest of menhaden by the reduction industry in Louisiana was in 1948 and they only harvested 88 million lbs. That is 7% of what was harvested last year. With spotter planes and refrigerated holds on the boats being implemented the harvest increased dramatically by the 1970s. All of the big reduction plants were built in the late 1960s. This coincides with the decline of our fishery.

The modern reduction industry consists of 2 companies with 3 plants (2 in Louisiana and one in Mississippi that fishes in Louisiana): Omega, which is owned by Canadian company Cooke Aquaculture and Daybrook, which is owned by South African aquaculture company Oceana. None of the fish they catch are used for local crawfish or crabbing bait. 100% of it is reduced to fish meal and menhaden oil. Most of that is used to feed shrimp and fish farms in other countries. These companies are vertically integrated and the business model is very simple - 1) harvest the most nutritious and vast FREE protein source in the world: marine forage like menhaden and sardines 2) use that protein to feed fish and shrimp and livestock farms to sell more valuable products globally. These companies remove the forage from our ecosystem to feed fish and shrimp farms in other countries whose products are then sold back into our market at a cheaper price than our local shrimpers and fisherman can afford to exist. Shrimping effort in Lousiana is at a historic low due to prices being bottomed out by imported farmed shrimp, for example.

Key politicians, like Jeff Landry, are bought and paid for by these global giant aquaculture companies. In the last election cycle that elected Landry to governor, these companies publicly made over $750,000 in donations. Privately there is probably even more "lobbying" going on, but at the end of the day the governor is in bed with these people that are pillaging our coast. They harvest an unlimited amount of menhaden and do not pay a cent to the people of Louisiana for it. They employ a few hundred people between 2 operations in our state, one in Abbeville and one in Empire. Other than the employment they offer very little of value in return for the billion+ lbs that they take in menhaden.

The most obvious impact from the menhaden harvest is tarpon. The tarpon were first to go missing after the reduction industry began operating and should be looked at as a major warning. Stable isotope tissue studies show that Atlantic Tarpon only eat menhaden (clupeids) when in the northern gulf for their summer feed and they require large schools. In the late 60s when the pogy harvest ramped up the tarpon started to decline. Before this, every pass in LA used to have a giant raft-like school of menhaden stretching sometimes for 10 miles all summer long. There used to be large numbers of tarpon feeding on the huge menhaden schools all summer, close to shore. In many areas like Cameron, Cypremort Point, Cocodrie and Lake Ponchartrain almost no one has seen a tarpon for over 4 decades. They are exceedingly rare to non existent now compared to the 1960s and earlier when they were common. TBy the 70s and 80s the tarpon were becoming scarce state wide and today Grand Isle tarpon anglers are moving their boats from Lousiana to Texas and Mississippi because they have more tarpon. In contrast, Texas pogy harvest dropped by 98% to under 1 million lbs after 2009 regulations went into effect banning the boats from working within a mile of any pass or jetty and in the following decade tarpon abundance in Texas (as measured by Texas parks and wildlife) doubled over the prior 3 decades. Anecdotally, people here who used to fish tarpon in Louisiana in the 50s and 60s said “they disappeared when the pogy boats showed up”. It’s too much evidence to ignore. You can have either a thriving tarpon fishery or unlimited nearshore pogy harvest, but not both. Tarpon can migrate 60 miles a day so they are the first species to tell you if there is a problem with not enough food - they simply leave and head to another state where the pogy schools exist unencumbered.

Up and down the east coast the menhaden harvest has been banned, except in the Chesapeake Bay region. Where the menhaden have recovered there is now a resurgence in their ecosystem from numbers of striped bass that people have never seen before to humpback whales returning to New York harbor. Contrast this to what is happening in the Chesapeake where osprey populations are plummeting and the striped bass fishery has collapsed. Commercial bait fishermen in the northern Chesapeake reported being able to catch zero (0) lbs of menhaden last year because the reduction industry harvested almost every single school in the bay before the fish could make it to Maryland.

It is possible to have some menhaden harvest for commercial use, but we need to prioritize our own ecosystem over the profits of two international companies. We earned the name Sportsman's Paradise because of how vibrant and productive our ecosystem was before the pogy boats came. Now we are at risk to losing that title to other states because they are doing more to conserve and protect the menhaden that feed everything else. Florida and Alabama banned purse seines completely. Mississippi and Texas have a 1 mile buffer that makes it almost impossible for the industry to fish there. Louisiana's coast is now the last state being strip mined to benefit very few people. It is the most short-sighted use of arguably our most precious public resource.

Pogy Boat Buffer - Next Steps

Posted by WizardSleeve on 12/10/25 at 11:06 am
Gents:

On Nov 6, the LWF Commission voted 4-3 to reduce the buffer where pogy boats are allowed to fish in Louisiana from 1/2 mile to 1/4 mile along most of the coast. The 4 commission members who represent commercial interests voted in lock-step with the industrial fishing industry's request. The public outcry against this move was enormous and one commissioner mentioned that he had never seen such one-sided overwhelming feedback from the public on an issue.

The buffer will not go into effect until spring of 2026 so the next steps are for the state legislature, both house and senate, to each review and allow this to move forward. Either chamber has the option to block the decision and send back to the commission, as part of legislative oversight. But they wont do this unless the public asks them to do it.

Please contact your representative and senator and ask them to take action against this decision by the LWF commission. No matter how you look at it, the buffer reduction is a terrible idea. Please contact them at your earliest convenience and ask them to block the move via legislative oversight.


If you would like to know more about the overall issue, I'll explain below:


Gulf menhaden (pogy) are the most important forage in Louisiana. They are the largest forage biomass not only in LA but in the the entire gulf. Every predator fish that is important to our state, such as trout, redfish, or tarpon, depend on readily available menhaden schools at the most important stages of their life - summer spawning. The menhaden reduction industry (pogy boats) has no limit on how much menhaden they can remove from our coast. They have been banned or severely restricted every other state and now 94% of the entire gulf harvest of menhaden happens in Louisiana. They are undermining our coastal ecosystem by removing the entire foundation of the food pyramid. With limited menhaden, the productivity of our predator species is severely handicapped.

The pogy boats operate by using huge purse seine nets to encircle and capture the entire school of pogy. They use spotter planes to see the school, as menhaden are surface schooling species. Everything is harvested, including the predators that are feeding on the school as well as all species that happen to be on the bottom, like croaker and flounder, as the 15' tall nets drag along the sea floor since they catch most of the menhaden in 5 to 10 ft depths. Bycatch is a serious issue with the fishery. The recent LGL study paid for by the state showed that (while on their best behavior with cameras rolling and observers on board) the industry kills 30,000 bull redfish every year. They catch more than this and they release some alive, but the majority die and over 95% of the fish are protected breeding-sized bull redfish that are illegal for anyone to harvest. They kill 240,000 speckled trout. They kill 81 million croakers.

We have issues currently with low spawning stock biomass and low recruitment of both trout and redfish in Louisiana. This isnt due to over harvesting since the recreational harvest of both species for the last 5 years is at lows not seen since the early 1980s. There is no commercial harvest of these fish. Throughout the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s the average harvest of each was between 5 and 10 million lbs. Last year the harvest of each was only about 3 million lbs, a 4 decade low. Meanwhile the only action taken by the state to improve this was to reduce harvest further by tightening limits on what anglers can take from the water. A move many, including myself agree with, but it does not address the root cause of why biomass of these species is so low - availability of food.

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Western society exists only as a high trust society. The goal is to operate mostly with freedom and liberty, but that depends on everyone in society being trustworthy to not contstantly take advantage of the system. In a high IQ, high trust society, only very few people think and act without impulse control. Trustworthy people have impulse control and think long-term about the net gain/loss in their community of a selfish act, like stealing.

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re: Rat Got In My Boat

Posted by WizardSleeve on 12/9/25 at 7:47 am to
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$50 and some busted knuckles.


Really it’s not bad regarding the hoses but they need to be replaced. I would take it to any marine mechanic to do the hoses. Wouldn’t be that expensive.

To repair upholstery get the lube ready.
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Radunz needs to be brought back as he’s been fairly solid


He’s consistently the worst rated OL on the team. Whole line needs to be looked at. Team is going to be terrible until the OL is functional.
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But the bigger reason this is a stupid idea is that billionaires (and most wealthy people) dont have their wealth sitting around as a cash asset. Their wealth is mostly in the form of a business valuation, or the value of some asset in general. A wealth tax, even at only 1% per year, will necessarily force people at some point to sell their assets, like their interest in a business. Just a dumb idea and completely degrades the idea of private property ownership and incentives that make innovation and investment possible.