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re: 40% of young US women say they aren’t having kids because they’re too expensive

Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:18 pm to
Posted by mikesliveisacheater
Member since Nov 2009
1477 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:18 pm to
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And nearly one-third of millennial women who don’t have children in the Credit Karma report point to the cost of fertility treatments, egg freezing, adoption or surrogacy keeping them from family planning as well.


Do young people no longer f*ck to have a baby? Making the baby is the cheap part. It's the next 18 years to life that are expensive.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:23 pm to
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. It's not the governments role to subsidize procreation


To be clear, I don't think that we should have a tax code that the government uses for social engineering in the first place.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
86175 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:23 pm to
The anti-natalist movement is essential to the Marxist /feminist delusion. Meaning in life they say, is found within Self As God. Bald materialism. All these women are being taught to embrace a life of loneliness and suffering.

Tomorrow I am going with my 18 year old daughter and her sorority as part of LSU parents weekend to Fred's. No trip with a girlfriend to the beach could possibly compare. No material thing can approach this. All parents know this.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128849 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:26 pm to
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I don't see how the two tie into each other?


They’re definitely connected.

Native US citizens aren’t having enough kids to continue the country on a growth trajectory.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3702 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:31 pm to
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Ultimately they are a positive investment.


If you want to enrich your life, have kids.

If you want to enrich your bank account, abstain.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17244 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:31 pm to
I knew a few women who, in their college years or mid-twenties talked about not having kids. Not many were like that, maybe a half dozen or so.

Over twenty years have passed since then. Two things have happened.

1. Whether she changed her mind or something unexpected happened or she married a man who essentially insisted they have kids, SOME of.the former anti-kid girls become moms, and most could not be happier and find it much more pleasurable and easier than they expected.

2. Another group didn't change their minds, didn't have kid and the vast majority deeply regret it. Both purely emotionally but also from a practical standpoint. It's good to have a 30-year-old you can call to help you screw in a lightbulb or put up a new mailbox or just sit with you late into the night on thanksgiving. Most deeply regret their decision.

None of these women are lesbians, they just thought at the time that having kids would be a pain in the rear and take away from hitting the bars and doing what 26 year olds consider fun.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Gaggle
Member since Oct 2021
7286 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:31 pm to
Infinite growth is also only necessary in a debt based economic system.
Why else would we need to grow?
Why couldn’t the economy just contract in proportion to the population and everything remain the same?
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3702 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Cohabitation before marriage became normalized because adults straight up can’t afford rent on their own.


1. Because sex is awesome.
2. Because you don’t truly know someone until you live with them.
3-10 Other reasons
11. Share rent. (Women are often more expensive than the offset in rent )
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128849 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:46 pm to
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2. Because you don’t truly know someone until you live with them.


Why are divorce rates higher for couples who cohabit prior to marriage?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128849 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:48 pm to
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Do young people no longer f*ck to have a baby? Making the baby is the cheap part. It's the next 18 years to life that are expensive.


Infertility rates are on the rise.
I believe, at least in part, due to women being on birth control for extended periods of time.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61469 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Infertility rates are on the rise. I believe, at least in part, due to women being on birth control for extended periods of time.


Plenty of environmental factors causing infertility, as well.
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
29636 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:09 pm to
They have a point, I'd be retired if not for kids.


I guess they are worth it
Posted by wareaglepete
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Member since Dec 2012
18566 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:15 pm to
There are going to be so many cats.
Posted by Nelson Biederman IV
New York, NY
Member since Apr 2014
629 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Why are divorce rates higher for couples who cohabit prior to marriage?


Just gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of those that don’t cohabitate prior to marriage do so because of religious reasons and don’t believe in divorce. Just a hunch.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:34 pm to
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The dirt poor ancestors needed kids for labor. Not the case anymore.

They also had kids to take care of them in old age. The more kids they had, the better they'd be taken care of. Now that the government is in the business of caring for the elderly, people don't see the need to have kids for that reason anymore.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:38 pm to
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Native US citizens aren’t having enough kids to continue the country on a growth trajectory.


Agreed. But why do we need to continue to be on a growth trajectory?
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70546 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 1:43 pm to
Because a shrinking population isn’t shrinking in all age groups. It greys, meaning that there are fewer working age people and more elderly people who need to be cared for. The shortage of workers basically causes entitlement systems and infrastructure to implode as most of society’s efforts become taking care of the elderly. This typically causes the working adults to have even fewer resources with which to have children, so it triggers a demographic death spiral that eventually ends in full societal/economic collapse.
Posted by madamtiger
Colorado
Member since Jan 2004
1628 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:19 pm to
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here is something inherently wrong with allowing people the freedom to reproduce without the accountability to care for their offspring. It's not the governments role to subsidize procreation although it should be the governments job to hold people accountable for their choices even if it means letting otherwise able bodied people and their offspring starve.


Can’t upvote this enough! Change the narrative to making shitty parents accountable for these kids they are putting out in the world. I raised good children that will have to deal with the generation that aren’t being raised properly. Quality parents THEN quality kids.
We can do better than just throwing out welfare checks. Invest in the kids themselves. After school mentor programs, good families taking neglected kids under their wing, sponsor an extracurricular activity for them or have them over for a meal a couple of times a week so they see what a functional family looks like. As overly simplistic as this may sound, this is the general direction we should be going in instead of just saying “produce more babies.” Produce quality future citizens. Hold parents accountable. Until then, I don’t want to encourage more kids.
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