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re: 11x increase in shingles after shingles shot for those 65 & older.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:06 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:06 am to Auburn1968
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I wonder if the shot might boost the immune response of someone who currently suffers from Shingles.
Good question. The shingles shot isn’t used to treat an active case - it’s used to prevent future episodes and especially the worse complications. If someone has shingles now, treatment is antivirals + pain control. The vaccine comes after, to reduce the chances of it happening again and to lower the risk of long-lasting nerve pain.
It doesn’t have to give perfect (sterilizing) immunity to be useful - it’s about shifting the odds and severity in your favor, not making you invincible (unfortunately).
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Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:08 am to Crimson Wraith
My Brother had that crap and it was BAD. Good friend had it on the INSIDE, and wasn't diagnosed for months.
I took the vaccine and a booster. And I would take a baseball bat to the person or persons that KNEW what they were doing was bad and did it anyway for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. No plausible deniability and muh taking orders bs. That is the only way this kind of treachery goes away.
"The FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of all knowledge". Fearing the consequences of whatever inflicts serious pain is the reason we seed understanding, knowledge and Truth. Remove that fear and it's Darwin on steroids.
I took the vaccine and a booster. And I would take a baseball bat to the person or persons that KNEW what they were doing was bad and did it anyway for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. No plausible deniability and muh taking orders bs. That is the only way this kind of treachery goes away.
"The FEAR of the Lord is the beginning of all knowledge". Fearing the consequences of whatever inflicts serious pain is the reason we seed understanding, knowledge and Truth. Remove that fear and it's Darwin on steroids.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:09 am to Sho Nuff
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Took my first shot in January. I'm 51. Arm hurt like a bitch for a week and I got flu-like symptoms for days 2 and 3. After that all good. I'm supposed to get a 2nd final shot in a couple months.
I can assure you, the second one will be worse.
I have a ;lot of the same medical traits as my mother. She used to get shingles really bad. So, I took the vaccine.
My doctor told me afterward when I complained, that is is a "very strong vaccine".
I swore I would never take another vaccine as long as I live. I laughed at the government's Covid jab demands.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:10 am to HagaDaga
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I think people taking the same attitude with this as the COVID "vaccine" may regret not taking shingles seriously.
What I was saying is that without breaking the group up into covid vaccinated vs. non covid vaccinated you can not even ask for the truth in the data that was taken. Maybe it was 22% of the covid vaccinated that has shingles activation and none of the non covid vaccinated, or the other way around. The whole point of a study is to gain meaningful knowledge and to do this you either need exactly matched groups or enough data about the participants to see what secondary effects are in play, if any. I am not against the shingles vaccine, I am against poor science.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:18 am to TigerDoc
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This translates to an absolute risk reduction of 3% (risk difference) for preventing herpes zoster
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:47 am to the808bass
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Our population-based cohort study found that the incidence of herpes zoster has increased over the last 6 decades. This temporal increase is unlikely to be due to the introduction of varicella vaccination, antiviral therapy, or immunosuppressive medications.
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The rate of increase across the time period was 2.5% per year after adjusting for age and sex (adjusted incidence rate ratio, 1.025 [95% CI, 1.023–1.026]; P < .001). The incidence of HZ significantly increased among all age groups and both sexes. We found no change in the rate of increase before vs after the introduction of the varicella vaccination program.
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Conclusions. The incidence of HZ has increased >4-fold over the last 6 decades. This increase is unlikely to be due to the introduction of varicella vaccination, antiviral therapy, or change in the prevalence of immunocompromised individuals.
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Do not despair, though. Despite the increase in shingles, there is a great increase in shingles vaccine revenue.
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The U.S. Shingles Vaccine market size was valued at USD 3.41 billion in 2024 and is projected to register a CAGR of 10.17% during 2025 - 2033. Growth in the market is primarily driven by the expanding elderly population, increased awareness of shingles-related complications, and the broader adoption of recombinant vaccine technologies.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:49 am to olemc999
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Hey bro, take this medicine so you don’t get sick but the medicine will increase the likelihood of getting sick times 11.
Here. Take this Covid "vaccine" to prevent yourself from getting Covid but then get Covid anyway and also a few strokes and some myocarditis.
We can see exactly what they're doing.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:52 am to RCDfan1950
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persons that KNEW what they were doing was bad and did it anyway
Congress giving immunity to vaccine manufacturers and exempting themselves and their staff from taking it was all we needed to know.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:52 am to the808bass
Yeah, when a patient says “3% doesn’t sound like much” (we'll go with your number) I’d ideally something like “that number is the average absolute reduction in getting shingles. What matters clinically isn’t just the count of cases - it’s the kind of cases we’re trying to prevent and shingles in older adults can mean weeks of severe pain and sometimes persistent nerve pain that can last months or longer. The vaccine’s value is mostly in reducing the chance of those worse outcomes, not just shaving a few mild cases.
There’s also a brief window after the first dose where shingles can show up - we can talk about that - but overall the series shifts your odds and severity in a better direction over time. It’s your decision. My job is to make sure you have the tradeoffs clearly - a small short-term risk vs a lower chance of a condition that can be pretty miserable when it hits hard”.
Does that sound like responsible medical communication to you, and if it does, do you see why that's better than OP? Others feel free to jump in if you see it.
There’s also a brief window after the first dose where shingles can show up - we can talk about that - but overall the series shifts your odds and severity in a better direction over time. It’s your decision. My job is to make sure you have the tradeoffs clearly - a small short-term risk vs a lower chance of a condition that can be pretty miserable when it hits hard”.
Does that sound like responsible medical communication to you, and if it does, do you see why that's better than OP? Others feel free to jump in if you see it.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:53 am to TigerDoc
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The vaccine’s value is mostly in reducing the chance of those worse outcomes, not just shaving a few mild cases.
This is a statement of faith.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:55 am to TigerDoc
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My job is to make sure you have the tradeoffs clearly - a small short-term risk vs a lower chance of a condition that can be pretty miserable when it hits hard”.
Good. Educating your patients is great.
Does it give you pause that the rate of shingles is increasing despite the rate of uptake in shingles vaccinations?
Posted on 3/29/26 at 11:57 am to the808bass
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Does it give you pause that the rate of shingles is increasing despite the rate of uptake in shingles vaccinations?
I often wonder about this, especially since the advent of the chickenpox vax.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:00 pm to Penrod
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Sounds like a lot, but when you consider that X is almost 0, it's fairly inconsequential.
So you're saying that there's a near 0% chance of getting shingles to begin with?
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:02 pm to TigerDoc
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What matters clinically isn’t just the count of cases - it’s the kind of cases we’re trying to prevent and shingles in older adults can mean weeks of severe pain and sometimes persistent nerve pain that can last months or longer. The vaccine’s value is mostly in reducing the chance of those worse outcomes, not just shaving a few mild cases.
Sounds eerily like the covid shot.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:03 pm to LSUbest
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So you're saying that there's a near 0% chance of getting shingles to begin with?
No, I’m saying there is almost a zero percent chance of getting shingles in the 21 days after the first shot.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:05 pm to Crimson Wraith
Old people are milking this country dry
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:07 pm to Crimson Wraith
I tried warning people on here about this a few years back. My dad was 200lbs and the picture of health until the VA pressured him into getting the Shingles Vax. Immediately developed a case of shingles that lasted 3 or 4 months. Not long after that he developed MDS and lost 50lbs. At the end of 2024 early 2025 he was diagnosed with Chrohns disease which is highly unusual for a person in their mid 70’s. At his lowest he dropped to 95 lbs and today he weighs around 115.
If you have elderly parents, do not under any circumstances let them be given the shingles Vax. You have no idea the Pandora’s box of health issues it opens up.
If you have elderly parents, do not under any circumstances let them be given the shingles Vax. You have no idea the Pandora’s box of health issues it opens up.
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:08 pm to the808bass
Sure. If a patient said that to me, I wouldn’t push back with “you’re wrong.” I’d be more like “you’re right that there’s a value judgment in how we weigh outcomes. Some people care mostly about whether they get shingles at all. Others care more about how bad it could be if they do.
Would it be helpful if I walk through what the worse outcomes actually look like?”
If they’re open, I’d add (to reiterate a previous post), “in older people, shingles isn’t just a rash - it can mean weeks of significant pain, and in some cases persistent nerve pain that can last months or longer and really affect sleep and day-to-day functioning.
The vaccine’s strongest effect is in reducing those complications, not just the total number of cases. It also reduces things like eye involvement (which can threaten vision) and hospitalizations, though those are less common.”
Then I’d bring it back to them with something like “Some people hear that and think "worth it", and others still say "I’ll take my chances." Both are reasonable & my role is to make sure you know what you’re trading off.”
Should we go into why that's better than OP?
Would it be helpful if I walk through what the worse outcomes actually look like?”
If they’re open, I’d add (to reiterate a previous post), “in older people, shingles isn’t just a rash - it can mean weeks of significant pain, and in some cases persistent nerve pain that can last months or longer and really affect sleep and day-to-day functioning.
The vaccine’s strongest effect is in reducing those complications, not just the total number of cases. It also reduces things like eye involvement (which can threaten vision) and hospitalizations, though those are less common.”
Then I’d bring it back to them with something like “Some people hear that and think "worth it", and others still say "I’ll take my chances." Both are reasonable & my role is to make sure you know what you’re trading off.”
Should we go into why that's better than OP?
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:10 pm to TigerDoc
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Where OP goes wrong is it lacks context and it ends up being misleading.
That’s intentional
Posted on 3/29/26 at 12:13 pm to LSUbest
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Sounds eerily like the covid shot.
Yes! In both cases, the vaccine reduces risk of the disease itself a little and the complications a lot.
We've been spoiled by early vaccine development getting low-hanging fruit that has allowed sterilizing immunity and herd immunity preventing some diseases entirely and the public has come to expect this and biomedicine has contributed to this misleading expectation.
We need recalibration of what counts for what matters when progress is slow/incomplete but real.
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