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re: ?? from a Military Strategic Idiot = me - How can we protect a carrier in Suez canal?
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:02 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:02 am to ChineseBandit58
It is complicated and I am no expert. I do know missiles fairly well. There is a complex kill chain that is required to use long range missiles on a carrier group. Long story short, it is harder than it sounds. Additionally the second the shooting starts the group, with a vast amount of firepower at its disposal, would begin dismantling the launch systems, the targeting systems and anything else. It would be a disaster with little gained by attackers and then the full force of the United States would be unleashed.
As for RPGs, they would be a non-factor.
Since the Cole incident the Navy has become more adept at stopping small boat attacks.
As for RPGs, they would be a non-factor.
Since the Cole incident the Navy has become more adept at stopping small boat attacks.
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Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:03 am to TOSOV
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This is a "kind reminder" to the area of what we have. No need to be a coward like obama.
Yep, they won't be kidnapping any of our guys by Iran without retaliation this time.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 8:06 am
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:06 am to ChineseBandit58
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?? from a Military Strategic Idiot = me - How can we protect a carrier in Suez canal?
Subs with ICBMs.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:11 am to RCDfan1950
They don't. It is only done for "photo ops". East coast Carrier Groups (CGs) do the med side. West coast CGs do the red sea side. The USS Nimitz, is the only carrier that does not fit the Suez canal. 
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:17 am to Homesick Tiger
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Yep, they won't be kidnapping any of our guys by Iran without retaliation this time.
Still can’t believe that happened
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:18 am to ChineseBandit58
Interesting... I was speaking with some people that went on a cruise that passed through the Panama Canal. Something similar came up. They really don't inspect much besides attempting to curtail ballast water discharge in the locks or lake. ship loaded with explosives in the front that detonated while in one of the locks. Would sink a ship and might cause massive damage to one of the locks. The sunken ship would totally block the Panama Canal for weeks by itself. A severely damaged lock gate might shut it down for a month or two.
Talk about disrupting commerce. There is a hell of a lot of oil that goes through the Panama Canal not to mention goods.
Talk about disrupting commerce. There is a hell of a lot of oil that goes through the Panama Canal not to mention goods.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:22 am to LetsgoGamecocks
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Attacking our fleet in the canal or anywhere else would be like sticking your dick in a hornets nest then lighting yourself on fire with gas.
Pretty much "hell, fire and brimstone."
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:28 am to ChineseBandit58
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within an hour
Within in minutes, someone is going to eat a Trident D5 W-88
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:57 am to SpqrTiger
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Sure. The carrier is vulnerable, but even if you managed to touch it, what then?
How about pinning it in the canal for months or years while the canal is being repaired from attacks at other points along the route.
I dunno - it just harkens back to a fear of leading a cavalry company thru a narrow canyon back in the western frontier days.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:58 am to ChineseBandit58
Valid points. But the military can’t be frozen by “what if’s”.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:18 am to ChineseBandit58
We're not that concerned about an attack on carriers as much as we are a shutting down of the canal to US ships as retaliation from China (they run the canal). The Marine Corp has a contingency plan for taking over the canal by force. They've done practices at the canal zone.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:23 am to OTIS2
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military can’t be frozen by “what if’s”.
True - I was just reacting out of fear - especially when we announce it in advance giving local terrorists time to go rogue and plan something.
It is something I have always worried about - even with commercial shipping thru Suez and Panama - wondering how easy it would be for some radical element to shut them both down for a long long time.
Putting one of our carrier groups thru there prompted me to ask the long held question.
Thanks for all your respectful responses -
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:27 am to ChineseBandit58
The Egyptians employ a massive security net every time there's a large movement through the Canal. Although carrier fixed wing ops are suspended during transit, helos are allowed to operate, providing air support for the fast rigid boats providing surface security.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:37 am to ChineseBandit58
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how can it be protected from a well planned attack from land based rocket launchers while it is in the canal?
What keeps a cat from jumping into a fenced in yard of Dobermans? Answer... Fear.
Anyone walking by on his daily ahalaoo ackbaring journey poses no threat other than to piss everyone off. Any true threat would be foreign state sponsored. And they know to just leave it at words
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:42 am to ChineseBandit58
Getting in late on this but I am positive that we have Assets in the air protecting one of our Mother Ships.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:42 am to ChineseBandit58
It takes more than rocket launchers and land based artillery to sink a carrier group. Those ships are fricking strong
It would like shooting a BB gun at your F250
It would like shooting a BB gun at your F250
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:45 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Which is why the US should be going away from large deck super carriers. Their time has passed.
Seriously - a Carrier Group is a massive national asset -
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:46 am to deltaland
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It takes more than rocket launchers and land based artillery to sink a carrier group. Those ships are fricking strong
It would like shooting a BB gun at your F250
Bingo
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:48 am to ChineseBandit58
Electronic jamming.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:51 am to ChineseBandit58
https://news.usni.org/2019/05/10/video-uss-abraham-lincoln-transits-suez-canal
Included in link is a video of the Lincoln in the Suez.
Included in link is a video of the Lincoln in the Suez.
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