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re: Full N.O. City Council to Vote on Smoking Ban in All Restaurants, etc.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:21 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:21 am to LNCHBOX
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Which places the inconvenience on smokers instead of people that don't smoke. That's how it should be.
Under Kantrell's proposal, if I wanted to open a Smoker's lounge that sells Cigarettes and Cigar, I would not be able to. No more hookah bars either. Not a huge deal, but where does it end and do we NEED IT?
I'm disheartened to see that you do not mind this intrusion in people's lives. I am simply tired of the continued over-reach of governmental bureaucracies.
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:21 am to Salmon
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like I say every time this thread comes up, I would never vote for this type of ban as I strongly believe that a private business should be able to do what it wants inside its doors...
...but the selfish part of me grins because I loathe cigarette smoke
Yup, spot on.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:21 am to LNCHBOX
But it is a restaurant that has outdoor tables. So would someone be allowed to sit outside Herbsaint, have a meal, a glass of wine, and a cigarette? Or would that be illegal, since it is technically part of the licensed restaurant?
And if not, in two years there will be a new ban to prohibit smoking on public right aways.
Do you see the point? They wont stop until they have squeezed every facet of what they deem dangerous out of life. I dont want to live in a world like that. Next will be the medical testimony that really loud music (read anything over 65 decibels is a health risk), so live music indoors will be regulated. Soon it will be foods over ___ grams of fat are dangerous, so cant sell them.
And if not, in two years there will be a new ban to prohibit smoking on public right aways.
Do you see the point? They wont stop until they have squeezed every facet of what they deem dangerous out of life. I dont want to live in a world like that. Next will be the medical testimony that really loud music (read anything over 65 decibels is a health risk), so live music indoors will be regulated. Soon it will be foods over ___ grams of fat are dangerous, so cant sell them.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:22 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Cantrell’s ordinance would make it illegal to smoke, with a few exceptions, in all enclosed public spaces, private clubs, correctional facilities and school buildings in the city. Smoking also would be prohibited in parks during public events sponsored by the city and outdoors within 25 feet of public property and within 5 feet of commercial buildings.
Cantrell revised her original ordinance to remove a prohibition on smoking at all public events and in the common areas of apartment buildings, retirement homes and nursing facilities.
The ordinance that will go before the council also includes a provision that would grandfather in existing cigar and hookah bars — businesses with the sole purpose of selling smoking devices and providing a place for them to be used.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:22 am to Salmon
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a free world...
Then I should be free to expose your family to high doses of radiation, right? And I can follow yall wherever you go, and keep doing it, right?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:22 am to LNCHBOX
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I have no issues with smokers, not until their decisions directly affect me. If the two options are I stop going to somewhere I like, or smokers have relocate to partake in their chosen activity, it makes the most sense that the smoker be inconvenienced.
This.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:22 am to BMoney
I don't smoke and I don't like this. There are plenty of bars I can go to that are non smoking. Bars that have the ability to have an outside area for smoking will have an advantage over places that do not if this passed. It will cause problems in the neighborhoods that these bars are located. Where are patrons going to go to smoke if the bar does not have room to provide an outside smoking area? Places like Snake and Jake for example now have people standing out in the neighborhood streets smoking and drinking. Causing disturbances and adding to the trash in the streets. Bars should let their regulars and employees dictate the smoking policy. It's not a one size fits all situation IMO.
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:23 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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I'm disheartened to see that you do not mind this intrusion in people's lives
smokers have intruded on my life since i have been on earth.
i cant sympathize with bar owners, because then i would sympathizing with smokers. frick them.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:23 am to BlackenedOut
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No, I think life is an inherently dangerous proposition. There are a vast amount of things which are unsafe or have potential health risks. If we legislate all of them (under exact same principal here: public safety) we will wind up squeezing the life out of life.
A-fricking-men.
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Someone smoking say on the sidewalk outside of Herbsaint while enjoying a glass of rose isnt going to ruin my day. Nor should it ruin yours. Nor should government try and say it is.
Yet there are now laws across various municipalities that outlaw smoking within 25-ft (or some other such asinine distance) of building entrances. College campuses have banned smoking ..... in wide open outdoor spaces.
Government overreach is a real problem in this country these days. Just look at the EPA attempting to ban wood-burning stoves. Sorry grandma.. can't keep warm by the fire this winter, that old iron stove your father bought in 1893 isn't up to code.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:23 am to BlackenedOut
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Do you see the point?
I see the point. I just don't agree with it.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:23 am to LNCHBOX
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Then I should be free to expose your family to high doses of radiation, right? And I can follow yall wherever you go, and keep doing it, right?
if you open a restaurant that has a sign that says "we expose you to radiation at all times" and I willingly go into your restaurant
yes, by all means, you should be able to do that
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:24 am to TigerWise
Ban prohibits smoking within 5 feet of a commercial building. So outdoor patios will probably not work either.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:24 am to VOR
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Dude. You've complained about smoke as I recall.
Who does not complain about smoke? Other than smokers. I think most of us will benefit from this ordinance personally however most of also agree that allowing the New Orleans City Counsel to tell a private business what to do is a very bad idea. Ordinances like this have consequences and those consequences wont be known for months or years to come. Sure the city counsel can submit a model and assure everyone its a worst case scenario however the department or works and the city counsel also just told me putting a bike lane and reducing Baronne Street to one lane would only add 2-4 minutes to my commute according to the "model". Its added 15 to 20 easy. So much for the "model"
Do we really want to leave the millions of dollars in tourism and revenue generated by smokers up to a model and the city counsel?
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:24 am to Salmon
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if you open a restaurant that has a sign that says "we expose you to radiation at all times" and I willingly go into your restaurant
yes, by all means, you should be able to do that
You are aware that you don't have to have an all or nothing stance on government regulation, right? Not everything the government does is bad.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:25 am to LNCHBOX
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Not everything the government does is bad.
I'm aware
but telling a private business what they can and can't do is bad IMO
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:26 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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I am simply tired of the continued over-reach of governmental bureaucracies.
I don't find this particular issue to be an overreach.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:26 am to Salmon
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but telling a private business what they can and can't do is bad IMO
In this one particular instance, I disagree.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:26 am to LNCHBOX
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high doses of radiation
Stupid analogy. There is already a huge host of federal regulations concerning the use, exposure, and storage of radioactive materials. If you were following people around and exposing them to high levels of radiation, you would already be breaking the law.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:27 am to BlackenedOut
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Stupid analogy.
I'm sure you get the point. Insert whatever substance you need to make it work.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 10:30 am to LNCHBOX
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In this one particular instance, I disagree.
then you are obviously a freedom hating communists and I hate you
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