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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:18 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:18 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Diversity, like a democrat?
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 6:53 pm to KemoSabe65
No, diversity as in different types of structure like grass flats, oyster reef, and sand bottom that will support different types of bait, and will also fluctuate in salinity. When those areas become exclusively salt or fresh year round the carrying capacity goes down.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 7:30 pm to BayouTiger71
Proud ? Show me where I said that.. I'm fully aware it's not mandatory. The only intrest Texas biologist have is lowering the limit.. the survey for the last 3 years actually showed trout numbers were stable on sabine lake.. I went to the town hall and listened to their arrogant asses talk.. they claimed they wanted input from fishermen but their minds were already made up. No ammount of participation will change lobby money..
Posted on 6/27/19 at 7:43 pm to tigerinthebueche
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They spawn in high salinity waters. They grow in the brackish ponds we are losing. So there is no nursery ground for the young fish.
at least that's how I heard it.
Lake Pontchartrain is THAT brackish pond but over the last few years due to the high river it became fresh to the detriment of the fishery.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:59 am to MrLSU
quote:no, the brackish marshes is where they go to grow from fry stage...
Lake Pontchartrain is THAT brackish pond but over the last few years due to the high river it became fresh to the detriment of the fishery.
Posted on 6/29/19 at 10:01 am to Riseupfromtherubble
The vast majority of Louisiana salt water anglers are not trophy anglers, although they enjoy catching larger fish, that fish for fun and to bring some fish home to eat; for them, the best spotted seatrout for eating is not the 4-8 pounders.
But the main point I wanted to make concerns the biological justification of the current 12 inch trout size limit. Based upon age and growth and reproductive data, a 12-inch female trout has spawned once; this biological criteria is used by many fisheries scientists to manage not only fish but some commercially important decapod crustaceans such as crab and lobster species. In the upper marsh where many coastal anglers fish in the fall and winter, a larger size limit would reduce catches for those fishermen who only fish the marsh because of boat size, expense issues, etc.
But the main point I wanted to make concerns the biological justification of the current 12 inch trout size limit. Based upon age and growth and reproductive data, a 12-inch female trout has spawned once; this biological criteria is used by many fisheries scientists to manage not only fish but some commercially important decapod crustaceans such as crab and lobster species. In the upper marsh where many coastal anglers fish in the fall and winter, a larger size limit would reduce catches for those fishermen who only fish the marsh because of boat size, expense issues, etc.
This post was edited on 6/29/19 at 10:07 am
Posted on 6/30/19 at 6:56 am to AlxTgr
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quote: I appreciate that you are concerned about marsh loss, and if you buy me a few beers we could talk more. I would gladly do that.
I can make this happen since I know both of you
Posted on 6/30/19 at 8:13 am to BayouTiger71
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although they enjoy catching larger fish, that fish for fun and to bring some fish home to eat; for them, the best spotted seatrout for eating is not the 4-8 pounders.
Theres a huge difference between 6-8 pounders and routinely catching more 18-20 inch fish. Do bream fisherman like to catch little shites or hand size?
Outside of the Mississippi River Delta, all the other states have 15 inch limits. I understand the fishery is different, but this entire argument over ‘we deserve to catch 25 little shite trout’ is laughable.
Yes, just like most fish bigger and more mature fish don’t hang out in the same places as juvenile fish. Rarely does one fish for gator trout in the same locations as just stacking numbers. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 8:34 am to baldona
They don't say it's different when they want to trespass 
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:10 pm to AlxTgr
Me and my buddy got our 50 before 8:00 this morning. Will go back every day this week and do the same if we can,Now come at me.
Posted on 6/30/19 at 12:40 pm to baldona
folks in grand isle would starve to death if they couldnt keep 12" trout
Posted on 6/30/19 at 1:07 pm to choupiquesushi
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yeah - I just hope this improves the spawning mass and the drop is not habitat related, as is my hunch.
The drop is absolutely habitat related. You have the same regulations for years and only NOW the trout population takes a hit.
Marsh erosion has been known to be sending this problem our way for a long time.
Do not expect a reduced creel and size limit to make a difference. We could change the law to zero creel and the trout would not rebound to the levels they were at 12ish years ago.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 7:26 am to omegaman66
quote:using western barataria bay as a reference - it is a shell of what it was 15-20 and 30 years ago.... even guides from that area have relocated.
quote:
yeah - I just hope this improves the spawning mass and the drop is not habitat related, as is my hunch.
The drop is absolutely habitat related. You have the same regulations for years and only NOW the trout population takes a hit.
Marsh erosion has been known to be sending this problem our way for a long time.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 8:23 am to choupiquesushi
I will agree to 15 per person. Only if they keep it at 12”. I usually fish with a couple of kids in the boat so I could keep 45 on a good day.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 11:53 am to Higgysmalls
MRGO and Great Wall of Chalmette has wiped off the map all of the trout spawning in Lake Borge and Lake Ponchartrain due to salinity levels falling to near total fresh water. This is having a huge impact along with massive environmental degradation of our disappearing marshlands.
The trout limit need to be 8 with 16 inch min and I hate to say that.
The trout limit need to be 8 with 16 inch min and I hate to say that.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 12:02 pm to MrLSU
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The trout limit need to be 8 with 16 inch min and I hate to say that.
Not sure if serious
Posted on 7/1/19 at 1:30 pm to MrLSU
quote:hmmm so before the intracoastal and MRGO.. these areas were devoid of trout?
MRGO and Great Wall of Chalmette has wiped off the map all of the trout spawning in Lake Borge and Lake Ponchartrain due to salinity levels falling to near total fresh water. This is having a huge impact along with massive environmental degradation of our disappearing marshlands.
Posted on 7/1/19 at 5:56 pm to choupiquesushi
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hmmm so before the intracoastal and MRGO.. these areas were devoid of trout?
You had thousands of miles of marsh before the MRGO/Intercoastal which aren’t there anymore.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 8:29 am to wahoocs
the people saying that this needs to be based on science are overlooking the science that LDWF has put out (or they didn't know about it at all)
sure, there has been land loss, but not THAT much land loss
compared to other states, we practice virtually zero stewardship
It's all about catching as many fish as possible to show off on social media or fishing report sites, to boost that ego. Very important to the Chads of the world.
We have awfully liberal limits (which is funny, because there are conservatives attacking people as "being democrats" when said "democrats" want the *liberal* limits removed, and the conservatives aren't conserving).
Bottom line is that the trout population IS down. Anybody who fishes regularly knows this.
Besides, the fishing experience is about the catching, not the keeping, right?
sure, there has been land loss, but not THAT much land loss
compared to other states, we practice virtually zero stewardship
It's all about catching as many fish as possible to show off on social media or fishing report sites, to boost that ego. Very important to the Chads of the world.
We have awfully liberal limits (which is funny, because there are conservatives attacking people as "being democrats" when said "democrats" want the *liberal* limits removed, and the conservatives aren't conserving).
Bottom line is that the trout population IS down. Anybody who fishes regularly knows this.
Besides, the fishing experience is about the catching, not the keeping, right?
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/18/19 at 9:22 am to RattleTrout
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We have awfully liberal limits (which is funny, because there are conservatives attacking people as "being democrats" when said "democrats" want the *liberal* limits removed, and the conservatives aren't conserving).
most entertaining part of this whole debate....
quote:
compared to other states, we practice virtually zero stewardship
It's all about catching as many fish as possible to show off on social media or fishing report sites, to boost that ego. Very important to the Chads of the world.
agree...Heard from powers that be, Gov., Lt. Gov, etc. that they must maintain "sportsmans paradise" for our tourism $$$
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