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re: looks like a push to change the limit on spcks in LA is coming or....
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:24 pm to BayouTiger71
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:24 pm to BayouTiger71
quote:It just seems like there is now more water than before. I always hear people say, "This used to be land". Fish don't spawn on land. Is it a matter not gaining the right type of water?
the loss of mid- and upper-estuary protected shallow water ponds
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Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:28 pm to AlxTgr
quote:and losing the right kind..... not spawning water per se.... but the nursery grounds...
Is it a matter not gaining the right type of water?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:46 pm to keakar
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:48 pm to BayouTiger71
quote:
BayouTiger71
Shame I can only upvote once.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:48 pm to TopWaterTiger
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because that wouldn't accomplish a dang thing. I point blank heard a LDWF Commissioner say to make any difference, the limit would need to go to 10 (this was when Big Lake went from 25 to 15)
Hasn’t done them much good
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:50 pm to wahoocs
quote:i hope the door hits your arse on the way out.
It's coming, I'm sure
I will become a full time golfer when it does
Too much investment of time and money to be done in an hour.
Big reason I don't fish redfish
The guides will love it. Less work.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:51 pm to GATORGAR247
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Shrimping by catch is bad on juvenile fish. Guides piling stacks of fish on the docks day after day doesn't help.
Yeap, overheard someone blaming the decline of flounders on BP. Wanted to ask the guy if he has ever trawled in his life, the amount of juvenile flounder caught is unfathomable.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 2:54 pm to AlxTgr
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It just seems like there is now more water than before. I always hear people say, "This used to be land". Fish don't spawn on land. Is it a matter not gaining the right type of water?
This is my amateur understanding. In MS I can go from straight freshwater to saltwater in a jon boat. There is no buffer, no gradient, that these inshore species need as they grow and their needs change. MS, FL, TX, and AL have the relatively low populations they do because they lack these massive transition zones. The MS river is the watershed for something like a third of the US, and it used to be allowed to gradually transition and deposit it’s nutrients over a huge delta. Now it’s more and more constricted and forced to simply spray freshwater into the gulf like a firehose.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:08 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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and it used to be allowed to gradually transition and deposit it’s nutrients over a huge delta. Now it’s more and more constricted and forced to simply spray freshwater into the gulf like a firehose.
We should actually be doing something about the habitat, instead of study upon countless study huh?
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:09 pm to GATORGAR247
You refuse to participate (which is not mandatory) in a marine fish creel survey, which is critical to management of various species, and you are proud of your actions? At the same time, most recreational anglers want science-based data but because of fishermen like you the data base suffers.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:20 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
I don't think that is actually responsive. When we lose land, we gain water, and that water is salt.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:20 pm to AlxTgr
You misinterpreted my points. As the upper marsh habitats disappear, there are less shallow marsh ponds surrounded by emergent vegetation with few outlets but overall there are more open water deeper marsh habitats less suitable as a nursery habitat. Spotted seatrout spawn in high salinity waters near the coast and not in the upper estuary nursery habitats which are rapidly disappearing.
I appreciate that you are concerned about marsh loss, and if you buy me a few beers we could talk more. LOL I grew up in Echo, just south of Alexandria.
I appreciate that you are concerned about marsh loss, and if you buy me a few beers we could talk more. LOL I grew up in Echo, just south of Alexandria.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:21 pm to TJG210
quote:yup
the amount of juvenile flounder caught is unfathomable.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 3:37 pm to DatNolaClap
I am in the late 60's, and I resemble your attitude. I with 3 other friends have a fishing camp in the upper marsh, and my goal for each trip is to catch enough fish to cook one meal at the camp, and bring back 6-8 fish to cook fresh (no freezing) to cook two meals for my wife and I; and, to sit on the porch enjoying the sunset while having bourbon and 7up.
This post was edited on 6/27/19 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:00 pm to BayouTiger71
quote:But see:
As the upper marsh habitats disappear, there are less shallow marsh ponds surrounded by emergent vegetation
quote:
Spotted seatrout spawn in high salinity waters near the coast and not in the upper estuary nursery habitats which are rapidly disappearing.
This is where I am confused.
quote:I would gladly do that.
I appreciate that you are concerned about marsh loss, and if you buy me a few beers we could talk more.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:04 pm to AlxTgr
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we gain water, and that water is salt.
Which is not a good thing.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:11 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Spotted seatrout spawn in high salinity waters near the coast
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:14 pm to BayouTiger71
Thats a good goal to have. Sadly, we normally dont catch enough to even feed ourselves 1 meal. We are trying to get better but when we go and strike out that only lengthens the amount of time between our next fishing trip. About the only fish we can catch consistently is red snapper and we can only run one of the bay boats out there when its calm. We're a bunch of 30 year old dumb yutes i suppose.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:15 pm to AlxTgr
They spawn in high salinity waters. They grow in the brackish ponds we are losing. So there is no nursery ground for the young fish.
at least that's how I heard it.
at least that's how I heard it.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:25 pm to AlxTgr
Where the eggs are laid is not where the young fish grow to maturity. As I said, their needs change as they grow and the more diversity there is then the better the fishery will be.
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