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re: FYI for the few dog hunters left

Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by joebuck
Member since Sep 2015
272 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:54 pm to
Sucks that it has come to this for dog hunters. Unfortunately if you don't have a large enough area to run dogs they will cross over into someone else's land.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13899 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:36 pm to
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Meh. Hunting deer with dogs is dead everywhere and it’s a shame. Killed by the commercialization of hunting.
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Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:39 pm to
Doesn’t matter how much land you have. You’d have to own 50 square miles to 100% guarantee that your dogs won’t cross a property line.

The only way to do it is have neighbors who are on board with it or doing it themselves and the reality of it is times aren’t like that any more. People pay money for little squares of land to hunt and get mad when they see dogs chasing deer. It wasn’t like that 20 years ago. I think shooting another mans dog back then was punishable by arse whipping. It was just something that people were raised not to do. Times were different. We started running some low power hounds that were good about staying on our place, and we have a big arse place.

We grew up doing it and I miss those days a whole lot. Our neighbors caught our dogs, we caught theirs, we all killed a few deer. Nobody was hunting on anybody else’s property. The new era of hunters being so boarded up sucks. I blame it on buckmasters and trail cameras but that’s another discussion.

Sure, legally you own land and nobody has the right to be on it but you. Just keep in mind that you’re stomping our tradition that will never come back.

To all the “frick all the dog hunters” crowd, frick off. You don’t know us all. We have generations on generations of history hunting deer with dogs in south Louisiana and it’s ending now. You could at least have a little respect for those here for the end of such a storied tradition.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 10:44 pm
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13899 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:45 pm to
I grew up with it, too. All the neighbors ran dogs and had a good time. You're right on with what's caused hunting to go to shite in general IMO.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 10:52 pm to
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t wasn’t until people started getting feeders and trail cameras and box stands that it started to matter


Have to disagree. Box stands and baiting have been around forever. I’d look more towards the decline in ducks in La. Duck hunting once was where the rich spent their money on high dollar blinds on private property. Now it’s $50/acre hunting leases. Can’t blame a man for wanting to protect his investment and not have the neighbors dogs crossing over

Even more on baiting, dog hunters are notorious for baiting up areas close to property lines to run dogs.

Running a pack of hounds behind deer or having deer drives just doesn’t appeal to me. I don’t see the sport in it.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35041 posts
Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:29 pm to
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Doesn’t matter how much land you have. You’d have to own 50 square miles to 100% guarantee that your dogs won’t cross a property line.


4 foot tall fence around the property line. Deer can get in. Dogs can't get out. You're welcome.

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Sure, legally you own land and nobody has the right to be on it but you. Just keep in mind that you’re stomping our tradition that will never come back.


Yeah. We do own our land. And idgaf about your "tradition" keep your mutts on your land.

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I blame it on buckmasters and trail cameras but that’s another discussion.


I blame people who trespass on others land. Don't blame me for putting up cameras and catching your arse trasspassing just because "muh pappy did it growin up"
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 11:31 pm
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
24033 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:03 am to
That dude writes like a 4th grader. Doesn't bode well for the cause imo.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 12:55 am to
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The law abiding dog hunters


Does not exist, every one of them will trespass and think it is ok if they are hunting for their dogs from my experiance.
Posted by upgrade
Member since Jul 2011
13032 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 4:59 am to
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Does not exist, every one of them will trespass and think it is ok if they are hunting for their dogs from my experiance.


Kindly go frick your self.
Blanket statements are not accurate. This is equal to a non hunter saying all hunters will take an animal illegally or unethically if given the opportunity.
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12716 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 5:03 am to
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To all the “frick all the dog hunters” crowd, frick off. You don’t know us all. We have generations on generations of history hunting deer with dogs in south Louisiana and it’s ending now. You could at least have a little respect for those here for the end of such a storied tradition.

Well, when this sentiment is expressed:
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Be happy it's gone, and I'll be happy when they shut all hunting on public land down. Then the regulations can affect everyone.

I don't think there will be much sympathy. What a fantastic attitude. "If I can't have my ball, I hope your ball is taken too".

Yeah, it's sad in a way that a tradition is coming to an end. But when the dog hunting crowd just seems to collectively recognize the issues that surround dog hunting, and at the same time almost refuses to even look for a solution, then it's bound to end. It's a tradition that apparently cannot evolve with changing views on property laws and how people feel about dogs running on their land.

It's funny, though, that you would tell people to have a little respect for the dog hunters when the whole reason they are in this predicament is an apparently lack of respect on their part for property boundaries.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:09 am to
There are many factors that play into the decline of dog hunting. One main issue is there isn’t tracts of land big enough for them any more that they can afford

Show me a group of dog hunters that are willing to go out and pay top dollar for the big 1500-2k acre leases. You’ll be searching a long time to find them.

Banning dog hunting on public land is a no brained imo.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30556 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:44 am to
an attack on any group of hunters not based on science bodes negatively for all of us...

those of you calling the dog hunters trash.... you do realize that there are some guys hunting high fence in the black belt calling you trash too...


it's all relative...



they could get gps collars and train their dogs to come back with e collars... so yes some of it is on them.

but with fewer and fewer people hunting we really shouldn't throw other hunters under the bus.... heck I dislike sky busters nearly as much as poachers...
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4369 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:47 am to
I don’t run dogs, but have good friends who do. I’ll probably go this year with them bc our kids are friends and it seems like a good time. Now here’s what they do right.

They have a huge lease (20,000+acres) and have dog hunting sections of it. They keep those in the interior of their lease so if they lose track of their dogs it only messes up their lease. A lot of times they’ll run in the am and stand hunt the pm.

Now, for why it’s dying......this attitude of “we cant help where the dogs go but it’s always been like that and y’all need to accept that” has killed dog hunting. ITS NOT OKAY TO TRESPASS JUST BC YOU CANT KEEP UP WITH YOUR ANIMAL.

I don’t trespass on my neighbors property and I don’t expect them to trespass on mine. I CANT CONTROL MY RESPONSIBILTY is not justification for ruining someone else’s experience. People put too much time and money into being able to hunt for someone to ruin it by being irresponsible.

If your hobby/sport causes you to break the law then you shouldn’t be doing it. Period
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
5857 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:50 am to
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Banning dog hunting on public land is a no brained imo.
There is still a part of the season everywhere that is "with or without dogs", EXCEPT for public federal land. The dog hunters pay the same taxes and license fees as the people that still hunt, and should have the same hunting privileges as everyone.

The whole ban issue is about Kisatchie National Forest, not private property. There are still some clubs that run dogs across the state, but my group doesn't love it enough to go join a club with a bunch of strangers.

Again, I wish they'd shut the whole mfer down and gate all the roads to everyone, including the horse trails that the gov't has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on. I dgaf if every acre of federal land is inaccessible. Then everyone's rights could be infringed on the same and we could all be happy.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4369 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:51 am to
They throw themselves under the bus by being irresponsible and expecting everyone else to tolerate it. Actions have consequences and for years the attitude of dog hunters has been disrespectful towards land owners and often times the animals themselves (had numerous dogs run through our place after being cut lose by owners). They’re reaping what they’ve sown
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4369 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:53 am to
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Again, I wish they'd shut the whole mfer down and gate all the roads to everyone, including the horse trails that the gov't has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on. I dgaf if every acre of federal land is inaccessible. Then everyone's rights could be infringed on the same and we could all be happy


And this is why dog hunters like yourself are thought poorly of.
Posted by DownSouthDave
Beau, Bro, Baw
Member since Jan 2013
7377 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 7:57 am to
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SCwTiger


I want to be on your side on this issue, but you're kind of a dick. It's probably personalities like yours that got you into the situation you're in.
Posted by NimbleCat
Member since Jan 2007
8802 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 8:00 am to
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The dog hunters pay the same taxes and license fees as the people that still hunt, and should have the same hunting privileges as everyone.


Dog hunters are notorious for pushing their "Hunting Privileges" so far beyond the letter and intent of the law, that people are just sick of them.

To a person that gets 2 days off of work out of 7 in a week, then takes maybe 10 days of vacation for hunting season, having some dogs run across their stand, lease, property is infuriating. Those people see all those weekends they spent on plots, scouting, and time value blown up by some person's pack of dogs roaming across their land.

Dog hunters have earned every bit of hate they receive, and then some.

People say, one bad apple can spoil the barrel...well dog hunters seem to be a barrel full of bad apples with one good one in it.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81637 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 8:03 am to
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The dog hunters pay the same taxes and license fees as the people that still hunt, and should have the same hunting privileges as everyone.

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Again, I wish they'd shut the whole mfer down and gate all the roads to everyone,
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I dgaf if every acre of federal land is inaccessible. Then everyone's rights could be infringed on the same and we could all be happy.

Dude.

And you wonder why this is happening?
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
5857 posts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 8:12 am to
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And this is why dog hunters like yourself are thought poorly of.
Exactly what about me wanting the same rules to apply to everyone make me a dick?

I was hunting on KNF when hunters took stands in the ditch, and waved to the game warden and cars as they passed by. No one was offended, and no one ever had an accident in 30+ years. Obviously that is not done now, but shooting down the road is one of the false concerns raised to shut it all down. Hunting is done in the woods, and if a still hunter was parked in a pulloff, we'd go to another block to run, as to not disturb him.

If I'm a dick for wanting the fairness to extend to everyone, then so be it.

ETA: We'll just have to agree to disagree. The fight will be over today, and I'll still be here enjoying the OB.
Sorry for being a trashy dick.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 8:16 am
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