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re: Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:28 am to finchmeister08
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:28 am to finchmeister08
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Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?
Absolutely.
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:29 am to Yewkindewit
I carry condition 0, but that's my choice. Carry however you are most confident and most practiced with.
However, do NOT do this:
Of all the responses given, this is the only wrong way to do it that I've seen. Muscle memory is of the most importance in a defensive situation. When SHTF you don't want your mechanics being confused. You may be racking when you don't need to, slowing you down and wasting a round. Or worse, not racking when you should, which would likely mean you are dead.
However, do NOT do this:
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In the yard, garage, grocery store, driving, in church, etc.....not racked!
When headed out at night, to questionable areas, or when my alarm at the house randomly pops off, most definitely racked.
Of all the responses given, this is the only wrong way to do it that I've seen. Muscle memory is of the most importance in a defensive situation. When SHTF you don't want your mechanics being confused. You may be racking when you don't need to, slowing you down and wasting a round. Or worse, not racking when you should, which would likely mean you are dead.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:36 am to RoIITide
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It's frustrating to hear fellow carriers talk like this to each other.
I'm not necessarily insulting him though. 9 times out of 10 nervousness comes from a lack of confidence, and I've seen it in just about every new shooter I've ever trained. I understand there are exceptions to the rule though, which is why I sometimes speak in generalities from personal experience. I know it's objective and simply my own opinion.
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I've pocket carried a lcp for a long time in a good holster and never chambered a round because when you sit down, most of the time we break the rule of pointing it at something we don't want to harm.
I can see your respect of the 2nd rule of gun safety, but there is a much lesser chance of that happening when your trigger is protected. If you ever see an officer bend down to do something, his barrel is usually pointed directly at someone. When holstered, the barrel will point as it may.
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That said, I carry a Shield chambered with my safety on (iwb good holster) and fellow cc'ers still want to argue that's the wrong way to carry.
I think most have just advised you to ignore the safety for simplicity's sake. But if you train with the safety every single time you draw it to build muscle memory, then rock on. That's the main thing is making all of your movements automatic and instinctual.
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I'm not knocking you Bapple.. you're a good dude and give a ton of helpful advice, so I hope you don't take this wrong.
No offense taken. I'm never bothered by an alternate view of my ideas.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 8/1/16 at 10:36 am to RoIITide
You're offended of his honest assessment?
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 10:37 am
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:10 am to RATeamWannabe
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You're offended of his honest assessment?
Not at all.
I put Bapple right up there with nutnfancy in the gun education department. He's one of the biggest contributors on the OB on this topic and I think people give his opinion a lot of weight.
Not much "triggers" me, man. We all had our initial concerns when we started carrying and we all will evolve to what is comfortable.
I'd like to see more people carry all the time and I'll take a guy who can put a weapon in battery quickly vs a guy who left it at home because he doesn't feel comfortable carrying a certain way.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 11:54 am to finchmeister08
I used to carry with no round in the chamber. The more I carried and the more I shot the more comfortable I became with carrying chambered. I still put my safety on but I've practiced drawing and disengaging the safety over 1000 times. I do it at least a few times a week now. Of course with an empty weapon. You'll get there one day when you feel comfy.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:13 pm to RoIITide
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I put Bapple right up there with nutnfancy in the gun education department. He's one of the biggest contributors on the OB on this topic and I think people give his opinion a lot of weight.
I truly appreciate the kind words, sir.
There are some excellent contributors among us in many diverse areas. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't learned a copious amount of useful information in my time on the OB.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:27 pm to bapple
Thanks for the info guys. I'm gonna keep practicing my draw and invest in a good holster. Someone posted a Q-Series holster and I liked how it wasn't so bulky. Might get that one.
But what about 1911s? Safety engaged with hammer back or no hammer and no safety. It seems it would be "safer" to have it chambered with the hammer up because you can still manage it with one hand. But it's still one step to have to do.
But what about 1911s? Safety engaged with hammer back or no hammer and no safety. It seems it would be "safer" to have it chambered with the hammer up because you can still manage it with one hand. But it's still one step to have to do.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:29 pm to finchmeister08
I carry with a round in the chamber but dont carry without a safety. no glocks for me
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:35 pm to bapple
I enjoy reading everyone's input on this subject. While I don't have a CCW, I do keep a sidearm in my vehicle, and am amazed at the amount of posters who do actually carry in everyday life. I am not aware of any of my friends who carry like that.
What is your estimation of people carrying in daily life, say in restaurants, banks, offices, etc.? I would be surprised if it was 25%, but am pretty naïve also. Thanks.
What is your estimation of people carrying in daily life, say in restaurants, banks, offices, etc.? I would be surprised if it was 25%, but am pretty naïve also. Thanks.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:38 pm to SCwTiger
maybe 1 in 25 are actually CC'ing on a daily basis. Pure guess on my part.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:40 pm to SCwTiger
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But what about 1911s?
Most that carry 1911s carry them "cocked and locked" which is condition 1. I personally don't carry a 1911 because it weighs almost 3 times what my carry guns weigh, not to mention 45 rounds weigh about double what 9mm rounds weigh, so it'll be even heavier fully loaded.
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What is your estimation of people carrying in daily life, say in restaurants, banks, offices, etc.? I would be surprised if it was 25%, but am pretty naïve also.
I would say the number is probably closer to 10%. The majority of people who go and take a CC course either allow their training to lapse (don't submit paperwork within a year) or they get a permit and don't regularly carry. Some selectively carry ("when I go to NOLA") but they don't get the benefit of proficiency from carrying often.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:40 pm to finchmeister08
I personally would prefer a 1911 to a no-safety striker gun. The triggers are just too short and light on striker guns to not have a safety IMO. I don't particularly care for either one. Once the SHTF, yes it would prefer whatever has the best trigger and reliability. Odds of SHTF? Low to non-existent. Odds of me holstering at least once every day that I carry? 100%. There's always the chance that something will wind up in the trigger guard while you're holstering and BLAM.
My personal preference is DA first pull, be it a revolver or traditional hammer fired semi auto. The first pull is long and heavy enough to probably prevent an accidental discharg, but it still doesn't require you to do anything other than pull it if you need it. They just require more practice to shoot well than striker or SAO handguns.
My personal preference is DA first pull, be it a revolver or traditional hammer fired semi auto. The first pull is long and heavy enough to probably prevent an accidental discharg, but it still doesn't require you to do anything other than pull it if you need it. They just require more practice to shoot well than striker or SAO handguns.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:48 pm to Chad504boy
I probably know 3 or 4 people who CC every day, and that's it. A lot of my friends and family wouldn't say that I do, but that's just because they don't notice
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:50 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I recently found out that I can draw from concealment (under an un-tucked shirt) from the 3 o'clock position and place a round in an 8" circle at 5 yards in under 1.5 seconds.
I would have ZERO ability to do that un chambered.
If I wanted to carry a bludgeoning device I would choose one that is not pistol shaped and is over 2lbs in weight. So of course I carry chambered.
I would have ZERO ability to do that un chambered.
If I wanted to carry a bludgeoning device I would choose one that is not pistol shaped and is over 2lbs in weight. So of course I carry chambered.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:53 pm to finchmeister08
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Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no? by finchmeister08
YES
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I feel like it's obvious when I do.
I bet it isn't as obvious as you think. Especially to people who don't carry and don't know what to look for.
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When I do carry, I never have a round in the chamber due to the fear of a miss fire while reaching for it.
Use a quality holster and this wont happen.
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I never think of being ambushed so it's not a good idea for me to keep doing it.
Most situations are too quick to not be ready. You won't have the time to rack the slide. Twenty-one feet is the average reactionary gap. This means, if you are watching the suspect, and his hands, he can close a 21 foot gap on you before you can draw your weapon and fire... With one in the chamber. That gap expands if you are not carrying hot. So as others have said, you may as well be carrying a rock.
Lastly, train train train. Range sessions aren't efficient training. Pay to go to training. Practice drawing from a seated position, shooting off hand, from concealment. Go to classes that allow you to shoot through car windows, or simulate active shooters. You will find out quickly that standing in a range stall, is a different animal.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:58 pm to Bleeding purple
Always chambered.
I'm not spending half my income on holsters for nothing
I'm not spending half my income on holsters for nothing
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:59 pm to finchmeister08
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But what about 1911s
My personal opinion is that this gun is too big for concealment. This may be a reason you feel that you are printing.
Posted on 8/1/16 at 12:59 pm to bapple
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This is the best description I've seen of them so far. To sum up:
Condition 0: full mag, chambered, manual safety off or no safety
Condition 1: full mag, chambered, manual safety on
Condition 2: full mag, chambered, hammer down (this would be "double action mode" for hammer-fired guns)
Condition 3: full mag, empty chamber
Condition 4: no mag, empty chamber
So what is a 1911 as:
Full mag, chambered, hammer back? Con 0? and if safety was on Con 1?
Posted on 8/1/16 at 1:01 pm to SaturdayTraditions
I don't agree with that. You have a better chance of getting one in the pipe and firing than you do defending yourself with a rock.
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