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re: Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?

Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:04 pm to
Posted by PT24-7
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:04 pm to
Really? I don't think that's the video id use to support my argument. That guy literally had minutes to rack a slide while the guy was going in and out of the store and following him around the isles pushing him.

I also wouldn't have shot that guy either. I didn't see where he was armed, but obviously if so that changes things. I couldn't tell but it looked like he was open carrying and this situation is exactly why I'm against open carrying. Every situation is a life/death situation when there is a firearm easily accessible that everyone knows about.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:04 pm to
i call that my .380 w/ safety.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:04 pm to
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This is where we differ do to our situations. I feel its more likely for me that someone gets a hold of my gun accidentally than from physically taking it from me in a fight.


You are again confusing non-carry situations with carry situations. I know what you are trying to say, but it doesn't make sense. What makes sense in a non-carry situation does not in a carry situation from an overall preparedness vs. safety aspect. You continue to do what makes you comfortable though. I never once said that any single person should do what makes them uncomfortable. I answered the OP and gave my reasons for carrying hot.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:05 pm to
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That guy literally had minutes to rack a slide while the guy was going in and out of the store


you only draw out when your life is in danger, you don't draw out to load up your weapon and escalate a what if situation.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:08 pm to
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Tragic no doubt. My heart goes out to the family. but the basic rules of firearm safety could have prevented the death. Had NOTHING to do with carrying condition 0, 1, or other way.


It does and it doesn't. I agree its more of a supervision issue, but You can train your children the ways of safely handling firearms but you can't control what others have taught their kids. Had there not been a rd in the chamber the boy would still be alive.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

That guy literally had minutes to rack a slide while the guy was going in and out of the store and following him around the isles pushing him.


So you would have drawn, racked and incited a situation that could had the possibility of being deescalated? How do you think that would have worked their Rambo?
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:10 pm to
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you only draw out when your life is in danger, you don't draw out to load up your weapon and escalate a what if situation.


He didn't have to draw to rack. Also he could have racked back on the other isle while the guy was outside and nothing would have been escalated. No one would have known. This situation lasted minutes.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

That guy literally had minutes to rack a slide while the guy was going in and out of the store and following him around the isles pushing him.


quote:

you only draw out when your life is in danger, you don't draw out to load up your weapon and escalate a what if situation.


Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:12 pm to
quote:

So you would have drawn, racked and incited a situation that could had the possibility of being deescalated? How do you think that would have worked their Rambo?


I wouldn't have drawn or racked in this situation.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:12 pm to
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Also he could have racked back on the other isle while the guy


ahh... we depend on timeouts to rack up. might as well carry a rock.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:12 pm to
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Had there not been a rd in the chamber the boy would still be alive.


NON-CARRY situations call for different firearms safety... Please stop confusing the two. It weakens your argument.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

That guy literally had minutes to rack a slide while the guy was going in and out of the store and following him around the isles pushing him. quote:you only draw out when your life is in danger, you don't draw out to load up your weapon and escalate a what if situation.


Would you have shot that man if it had been you?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:15 pm to
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Would you have shot that man if it had been you?




So what is your other option? Getting into a tussling match with this lunatic while you have a loaded firearm on your side?
Posted by Big_country346
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Do you carry with a round in the chamber or no?


Yes. Every. Damn. Time.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
4592 posts
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

NON-CARRY situations call for different firearms safety... Please stop confusing the two. It weakens your argument.


What do you do with your carry gun at the end of the day? When you go to the courthouse? When you work out? When you go straight from work to your kids game? When you shower?

Im curious how yall carry in all these situations
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:17 pm to
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So what is your other option? Getting into a tussling match with this lunatic while you have a loaded firearm on your side?


Hence the problem with open carry. You take all other options off the table.

Don't get me wrong I don't feel bad for the guy that died, but the guy that shot him has to live with that the rest of his life.
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:18 pm to
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Would you have shot that man if it had been you?


yep

if you read the article he actually shot the guy once and he kept on attacking him. so he ended up shooting him again twice.

The shooter retreated multiple times, gave multiple warnings, was backing into a corner with a larger man intent on harming him. I would have definitely shot him.
Posted by jdavid1
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:19 pm to
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Would you have shot that man if it had been you?


It's hard to say from watching the video with no audio. I'm a small guy similar to the shooter in the video. If there was a large de-bo sized guy trying to get to me and saying he was going to kill me. Then yeah, I would have acted the same way as the shooter. I can't say what I would have done since I was not there, but to me if looked like the guy feared for his life and was backed into a corner.

Side note, the shooting was deemed justified so there's that.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:20 pm to
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but the guy that shot him has to live with that the rest of his life.


live with what?

quote:

You take all other options off the table.


getting into a tussle cc'ing is no better either. open carrying didn't get himself in trouble, going outside and taking picture of license plate is what pissed guy off.
This post was edited on 8/1/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted by Bleeding purple
Athens, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
25349 posts
Posted on 8/1/16 at 3:21 pm to
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Hence the problem with open carry


This is not an open carry issue. It is a idiot criminal intent on harm vs a citizen with the right to self protection issue.

The fact the citizen is carrying any weapon in any fashion is part of the totality of circumstances when it comes to deciding to use deadly force. If the attacker gains an advantage at any point he may use your weapon against you. It really dosent matter if the gun is concealed or not.
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